Trigonometric Identity Questions

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The discussion revolves around trigonometric identities, specifically addressing the identity \(\sin\theta=\frac{1}{\csc\theta}\) and the proof of the identity \(\cos(\theta + \frac{\pi}{2})= -\sin\theta\). Participants explore the implications of undefined values in trigonometric functions and the concept of removable discontinuities.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why \(\sin\theta=\frac{1}{\csc\theta}\) is considered an identity when \(\csc\pi\) is undefined, suggesting it holds when both sides are defined.
  • Others propose that treating \(\csc\pi\) as \(\infty\) allows the identity to hold, while also discussing limiting values of sine and cosecant as they approach \(\pi\).
  • One participant suggests using the addition formula for cosine to prove \(\cos(\theta + \frac{\pi}{2})= -\sin\theta\), referencing the unit circle.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of not directly equating infinity with \(\frac{1}{0}\) and suggests a more rigorous approach to discussing limits and discontinuities.
  • There is a mention of removable discontinuities in the function \(f(\theta) = \sin\theta\csc\theta\) at points where the cosecant function is undefined.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of undefined values in trigonometric identities and the implications of limits. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to discussing infinity and discontinuities.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the algebraic treatment of infinity and the importance of precise language when discussing limits and undefined values in trigonometric functions.

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Your help will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!1. The expression \(\sin\pi\) is equal to \(0\), while the expression $\frac{1}{\csc\pi}$ is undefined. Why is $\sin\theta=\frac{1}{\csc\theta}$ still an identity?

2. Prove $\cos(\theta + \frac{\pi}{2})= -\sin\theta$
 
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suzy123 said:
2. Prove $\cos(\theta + \frac{\pi}{2})= -\sin\theta$

Use the addition formula together with the values from the unit circle $$\cos(A+B) = \cos(A)\cos(B) - \sin(A)\sin(B)$$
 
Welcome to MHB, suzy123! :)

suzy123 said:
Your help will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!1. The expression \(\sin\pi\) is equal to \(0\), while the expression $\frac{1}{\csc\pi}$ is undefined. Why is $\sin\theta=\frac{1}{\csc\theta}$ still an identity?

It's an identity when both are defined.
And if you treat $\csc\pi$ as $\infty$ it even holds there.
 
I like Serena said:
Welcome to MHB, suzy123! :)
It's an identity when both are defined.
And if you treat $\csc\pi$ as $\infty$ it even holds there.
An excellent point. Also, another way of looking at both is by considering limiting values:$$\lim_{x \to \pi}\sin x=0$$

$$\lim_{x \to \pi}\csc x = \lim_{x \to \pi}\frac{1}{\sin x}=\frac{1}{ \lim_{x \to \pi}\sin x } = \lim_{z \to 0 }\frac{1}{z} \to \frac{1}{0} \to \infty$$Similarly, you could use the composite angle formula I Like Serena gave above,

$$\sin (x \pm y)= \sin x \cos y \pm \cos x \sin y$$

and consider the limits$$\sin \pi = \lim_{x \to \pi}\sin x= \lim_{\epsilon \to 0}\sin (\pi \pm \epsilon) \to 0$$and$$\csc \pi = \lim_{x \to \pi}\csc x= \lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \frac{1}{\sin (\pi \pm \epsilon)} \to \infty$$
 
Prove that the function:

$f(\theta) = \sin\theta\csc\theta$

has removable discontinuities at $k\pi,\ k \in \Bbb Z$.

It is, by and large, problematic to simply say:

$\infty = \frac{1}{0}$ because such an assignment does not obey the algebraic rules of the real numbers (in particular, the cancellation law:

$ac = bc \implies a = b$ when $c \neq 0$

breaks down).

While it *is* possible to extend the real numbers in various ways to include the notion of infinity, it is usually preferable to phrase statements about infinity in ways that do not mention infinity itself such as:

instead of:

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} f(x) = \infty$

we say:

for any $N > 0$, there is some $\delta > 0$ such that for all $0 < |x - a| < \delta$, we have $f(x) > N$.

This is a fancy way of saying: $f$ increases without bound near $a$. Note it does not mention infinity, nor does it say what (if any) value we should ascribe to $f(a)$.

As others have mentioned, the cosecant function is undefined at certain points. If one is asked to evaluate cosecant at such a point, one ought to politely refuse.
 
Deveno said:
If one is asked to evaluate cosecant at such a point, one ought to politely refuse.

Genius! :cool:
 

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