Trinomials that are set equal to zero

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the quadratic equation y² + 13y + 40 = 0. Participants explore different approaches to understanding what it means for the equation to be set equal to zero, including factoring and identifying solutions.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about what to do when the equation is equal to zero, questioning if that changes the approach to solving it.
  • Another participant explains that the equation can be factored into the form (y-a)(y-b) = 0, indicating that solving it involves finding values for y that satisfy either y-a=0 or y-b=0.
  • A different viewpoint suggests using the quadratic formula to find solutions, emphasizing that factoring can be difficult in some cases and providing the formula for clarity.
  • One participant challenges the initial question by stating that the nature of the problem depends on the instructions given, suggesting that the focus should be on understanding the problem rather than just the equation itself.
  • This participant also provides a specific factorization of the equation, showing that it can be expressed as (y+8)(y+5) = 0 and detailing the implications of this factorization for finding solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various methods for addressing the equation, including factoring and using the quadratic formula, but there is no consensus on the best approach or the specific nature of the problem posed by the equation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the difficulty of factoring can vary depending on the specific trinomial, and there may be ambiguity in what the problem is asking for, whether it is solving the equation or simply factoring it.

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ko so i have the problem y^2+13y+40=0
what would i do here? i have checked most math sites and they don't tell me what do do if its equal to zero

IF its equal to zero does that change anything or what?
 
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This is a quadratic equation. That means it can be written in the form y2+13y+40 = (y-a)(y-b) = 0. Only if the right hand side is zero do you know that either y-a=0 or y-b=0, so y=a or y=b. In order to find a and b, you must know how to solve quadratic equations.
 
Think of it as ax^2 + bx + c = 0.

Now, since a = 1, what adds up to b, but when multiplied gives c?
You might also look up the Foil Method.
http://www.algebrahelp.com/lessons/factoring/trinomial/While it is true that quadratic with a discriminant greater or equal to zero may be written as the product of two binomials (well, I'm not certain, but sometimes it seems to require a coefficient), factoring can sometimes be very difficult.

This case is easy to factor, but if you come across one that you can't get right, try the following.

Use the quadratic equation:

Suppose you have a trinomial, ax^2+bx+c=0

To solve use x =( -b + sqrt(b^2 -4ac)) / 2a to find one answer.
Sorry, let me try that with LaTex.[tex]\ x = (-b\pm \sqrt{b^2 -4ac})/2a[/tex]

Hmm ... the x isn't showing up, but oh well.
 
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Roymcloud93 said:
ko so i have the problem y^2+13y+40=0
No, you don't- and that's the problem!

what would i do here? i have checked most math sites and they don't tell me what do do if its equal to zero

IF its equal to zero does that change anything or what?
What you do with an equation depends upon the question asked or what you are told to do with it. It's the question or the instruction that is the "problem", not the equation.

If, for example, you are asked to solve the equation, then you might try to factor the polynomial on the left side. In this particular case, y2+ 13y+ 40= (y+ 8)(y+ 5). If the product of two numbers (here y+ 8 and y+ 5) is equal to 0, one of them must be equal to 0. From that you know that either y+ 8= 0 (in which case y= -8) or y+ 5= 0 (in which case y= -5).

But it might be that the "problem" is just to factor the polynomial. It might be that the problem is to find all values of x for which the equation is NOT true! (All numbers except -8 and -5.)

Don't focus on the equation so much you don't determine what the problem is!


(If my English teacher were to tell me "Jimmy is going to the swimming pool", and then look at me expectantly, I might look back quizzically and then say "Okaaay, what do you want me to do about it!")
 

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