Trouble with Solving a Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to a model for learning, specifically the equation \(\frac{dP}{dt} = k(M - P)\), where \(P(t)\) represents performance over time, \(M\) is the maximum performance level, and \(k\) is a constant. Participants are exploring how to derive the function \(P(t)\) and its limit as time approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to separate variables for integration but expresses confusion about the process. Some participants suggest that the equation is easily separable and provide a method for integration. Others question whether additional initial conditions, such as \(P(0) = 0\), are necessary for solving the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on how to separate and integrate the equation. There is recognition of potential mistakes in the original poster's approach, and the discussion is exploring the implications of initial conditions on the solution.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the initial condition \(P(0) = 0\), which may not have been initially included in the problem statement. This condition could influence the final form of the solution, although the limit of \(P(t)\) as \(t\) approaches infinity is noted to be independent of this constant.

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I'm having trouble with the following textbook problem:

A model for learning in the form of a differential equation is seen below:
[tex]\frac{dP}{dt} = k(M - P)[/tex]
where [tex]P(t)[/tex] measures the performance of someone learning a skill after a training time [tex]t[/tex], [tex]M[/tex] is the maximum level of performance, and [tex]k[/tex] is a positive constant. Solve this differential equation for [tex]P(t)[/tex]. What is the limit of this expression?

The only basic approach for solving differential equations that I know is to "separate and integrate", that is, have one side with P's and a dP, and the other side with t's and a dt (constants anywhere throughout), and then integrate both sides. So, what I was hoping to get was kM * something * dt = kP * something * dP. However, it looks like that's not going to happen. Could someone help me solve this thing?

I know that if "M is the maximum level of performance", then logically [tex]\lim_{t \rightarrow \infty} P(t) = M[/tex]. However, I'm still not sure how to actually find the function P(t).

Thanks for any help you can give. :smile:
 
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xxdrossxx said:
I'm having trouble with the following textbook problem:



The only basic approach for solving differential equations that I know is to "separate and integrate", that is, have one side with P's and a dP, and the other side with t's and a dt (constants anywhere throughout), and then integrate both sides. So, what I was hoping to get was kM * something * dt = kP * something * dP. However, it looks like that's not going to happen. Could someone help me solve this thing?

I know that if "M is the maximum level of performance", then logically [tex]\lim_{t \rightarrow \infty} P(t) = M[/tex]. However, I'm still not sure how to actually find the function P(t).

Thanks for any help you can give. :smile:


It's easily separable just divide by by M-P and you have a pretty standard integral to find the function P.
 
d_leet said:
It's easily separable just divide by by M-P and you have a pretty standard integral to find the function P.
Ah, of course! I guess my first mistake was distributing the k. Dividing brings me to [tex]\frac{dP}{M - P} = kdt[/tex], and integrating both sides gives me [tex]-ln|M - P| = kt + c[/tex]. Going from there:

[tex]ln|M - P| = -kt - c[/tex]
[tex]e^{-kt - c} = M - P[/tex]
[tex]P = M - e^{-kt - c}[/tex]
I think I'm doing something very wrong here. The answer in the back of the book is [tex]P(t) = M - Me^{-kt}[/tex].

I'm thinking I've made a really stupid mistake, but I can't find it. Can anyone help?
 
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Have you left out part of the problem- like, say, the information that the subject knew nothing to start with? That is, that P(0)= 0.

[tex]P(t) = M - e^{-kt - c}= M- (e^{-c})e^{-kt}[/tex]
and we can write that as
[tex]P(t)= M- C e^{-kt}[/tex]
where [itex]C= e^{-c}[/itex].

Then, if P(0)= 0,
[tex]P(0)= M- Ce^0= M- C= 0[/tex]
so C= M.

Actually that's not relevant to the final question: what is the limit of P(t) as t goes to infinity? That answer does not depend on C.
 

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