Troubleshooting Damped Free Forced Vibration Solutions

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting the solutions for damped free forced vibrations in a differential equation context. Participants are attempting to demonstrate that a specific function is a solution to the equation involving external forces and resonance effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the role of the external force in the damped free forced vibration problem.
  • One participant suggests using the method of undetermined coefficients to find a particular solution, proposing a form involving both cosine and sine terms.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the task is to show a specific function is a solution to the differential equation, noting the implications of resonance when certain conditions are met.
  • Several participants discuss the need to calculate derivatives of the proposed solution and substitute them into the differential equation to verify correctness.
  • One participant mentions that their attempts to substitute coefficients into the equation did not yield the expected results, indicating ongoing difficulties.
  • Another participant encourages sharing attempts to identify errors collaboratively, suggesting a community approach to problem-solving.

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Participants generally agree on the method of approaching the problem but express differing levels of understanding and success in applying it. There is no consensus on the resolution of the specific issues raised, as multiple participants continue to seek clarification and assistance.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of resonance in the context of the problem, but there is uncertainty regarding the specific conditions under which the amplitude of oscillation becomes arbitrarily large. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly in the substitution of coefficients and verification of the proposed solution.

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Something i am doing is not adding up. I don't understand the part with the external force. here's the question:

Show that the solution for the damped free forced vibration given by View attachment 155 is View attachment 156 when View attachment 157, where View attachment 158

something along the way I'm doing wrong, because not for heck can i get that fraction with the sin theta part.

Help Please?
 

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shorty said:
Something i am doing is not adding up. I don't understand the part with the external force. here's the question:

Show that the solution for the damped free forced vibration given by View attachment 155 is View attachment 156 when View attachment 157, where View attachment 158

something along the way I'm doing wrong, because not for heck can i get that fraction with the sin theta part.

Help Please?

If you solve the homogeneous equation $my^{\prime\prime}+ky=0$, you get $y_c = c_1\cos(\omega t)+c_2\sin(\omega t)$, where $\omega = \sqrt{\dfrac{k}{m}}$.

Now, for the particular solution, we can proceed by the method of undetermined coefficients where $y_p = (A+Bt)\cos(\omega t) + (C+Dt)\sin(\omega t)$. This then satisfies the differential equation $my_p^{\prime\prime}+ky_p=\cos(\theta t)$.

Solve for $A$, $B$, $C$, and $D$; you should then get the particular solution. $y=y_c+y_p$ should then be the desired final result.

I hope this helps!
 
shorty said:
Something i am doing is not adding up. I don't understand the part with the external force. here's the question:

Show that the solution for the damped free forced vibration given by View attachment 155 is View attachment 156 when View attachment 157, where View attachment 158

something along the way I'm doing wrong, because not for heck can i get that fraction with the sin theta part.

Help Please?

This is a "show" question, which means you only need demonstrate that the given solution is indeed a solution of the DE. Presumably you can solve the homogeneous part, so you need only show that \(f(t)=\frac{t \sin(\omega t)}{2\omega}\) is a solution of:

\(my''+ky=\cos(\omega t) \)

You might note at this point that as \(\Theta=\omega \) you have resonance and the amplitude of the oscillation becomes arbitarily large as \(t\) increases without bound.

CB
 
Chris L T521 said:
If you solve the homogeneous equation $my^{\prime\prime}+ky=0$, you get $y_c = c_1\cos(\omega t)+c_2\sin(\omega t)$, where $\omega = \sqrt{\dfrac{k}{m}}$.

Now, for the particular solution, we can proceed by the method of undetermined coefficients where $y_p = (A+Bt)\cos(\omega t) + (C+Dt)\sin(\omega t)$. This then satisfies the differential equation $my_p^{\prime\prime}+ky_p=\cos(\theta t)$.

Solve for $A$, $B$, $C$, and $D$; you should then get the particular solution. $y=y_c+y_p$ should then be the desired final result.

I hope this helps!

This was the easy part. I got that far but when I did my substitution for the coefficients into the equation my particular solution wasn't adding up.. :(
 
This is what i am unsure about. How do i go about showing that \(f(t)=\frac{t \sin(\omega t)}{2\omega}\) is a solution of:

\(my''+ky=\cos(\omega t) \)? i don't understand the resonance and the amplitude aspects..

CaptainBlack said:
This is a "show" question, which means you only need demonstrate that the given solution is indeed a solution of the DE. Presumably you can solve the homogeneous part, so you need only show that \(f(t)=\frac{t \sin(\omega t)}{2\omega}\) is a solution of:

\(my''+ky=\cos(\omega t) \)

You might note at this point that as \(\Theta=\omega \) you have resonance and the amplitude of the oscillation becomes arbitarily large as \(t\) increases without bound.

CB
 
ifeg said:
This is what i am unsure about. How do i go about showing that \(f(t)=\frac{t \sin(\omega t)}{2\omega}\) is a solution of:

\(my''+ky=\cos(\omega t) \)? i don't understand the resonance and the amplitude aspects..
Calculate the first and second derivatives of y. Substitute them into the left hand side of the given differential equation. Simplify the result. The simplified result will equal the right hand side, provided $\omega$ is equal to a particular expression involving m and k. QED.
 
Thank you for the tip. i tried it though and it didn't quite work out. but i will keep playing with it and see.
Mr Fantastic said:
Calculate the first and second derivatives of y. Substitute them into the left hand side of the given differential equation. Simplify the result. The simplified result will equal the right hand side, provided $\omega$ is equal to a particular expression involving m and k. QED.
 
ifeg said:
Thank you for the tip. i tried it though and it didn't quite work out. but i will keep playing with it and see.

I can assure you it does, if you post what you have tried here we will see if we can help you fing the errors etc...

CB
 

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