Justify Assumption of Exponential Response to Free Vibration Problem

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The discussion revolves around the justification for assuming an exponential response in the context of free vibration problems involving mass, damping, and spring systems. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and conceptual reasoning behind this assumption, particularly in relation to differential equations and their solutions.

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  • One participant questions the justification for assuming an exponential response, noting that it seems to rely on a posteriori knowledge rather than a priori understanding.
  • Another participant suggests that the derivatives of the exponential function being exponential could serve as a basis for all possible functions, supporting the use of exponentials in differential equations.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that Newton's second law leads to a homogeneous second-order differential equation, which can be solved for different types of damping without assuming a specific response initially.
  • One participant mentions that knowing Euler's equation is necessary a priori to solve the differential equation, indicating that assuming exponential solutions is a classical approach.
  • Another participant introduces the Laplace transform as an alternative method for solving these problems, suggesting it simplifies the process by incorporating initial conditions directly.
  • A participant expresses a desire for a more conceptual understanding of the topic, indicating a preference for discussions at a graduate level.
  • One participant suggests watching introductory materials on Euler's equation and oscillations for better insights, although they acknowledge it may be basic.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and justification for assuming exponential responses. While some support the classical approach, others argue for alternative methods or question the foundational assumptions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives present.

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Participants highlight the dependence on prior knowledge of Euler's equation and the characteristics of differential equations, as well as the implications of damping types on the solutions. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in justifying the assumption of exponential responses.

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Why assume exponential
Consider a free vibration problem of a mass in 1D: inertia, damping, spring, and no forcing function.

We begin by assuming an exponential response.

And then run through all the cases of under, over, critical damping, etc.

I am fully aware of Euler's formula that relates sine/cosine to complex exponential, etc.

But when an analyst first attemps a solution of such a system, there is no a priori knowedge about such issues -- just a posteriori knowledge
of what it leads to.

Can someone justify why we assume a trial exponential response to a free vibration problem?

The only answer I seem able to give is that: it works because Euler, complex, trig, etc.

(Forgive me for marking this "Advanced" I seek a more conceptual understandingFor example, could one say that the derivatives of the exponential are exponential and this serves as a basis for all possible functions?
 
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Trying2Learn said:
For example, could one say that the derivatives of the exponential are exponential and this serves as a basis for all possible functions?
You hit the nail on the head (old dutch expression).

In dealing with differential equations like ##x'' + \omega^2 x = 0## it is sensible to try exponentials. See characteristic equation in calculus books.
 
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You don't need to assume any response. Newton's second law gives you a homogenous second order differential equation, $$m\ddot{x} + b \dot{x} + kx = 0$$ You can solve the complementary equation for ##\lambda## for the three different types of damping (depending on whether the discriminant ##b^2 - 4mk## is less than, equal to, or greater than zero) and come up with the equation of motion.

If you get complex ##\lambda = a \pm bi##, the complementary solution is of the form ##x = Ae^{at}\cos{(bt + \phi)}##. This is the case with underdamping!
 
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OK, you need to know Euler's equation, a priori in your words.
Then the equation given in the previous post is solved in a number of ways. The "classical" way is to assume exponential solutions. Unexplained, a priori!

If you're working towards an electrical degree you will be saved with the use of the Laplace transform. Essentially you just look up the relevand Laplace-transformed term(s) in a nice table to get the time response. SO much easier and it includes all initial conditions FOR FREE! :smile:
 
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(Forgive me for marking this "Advanced" I seek a more conceptual understanding
No. "A" means you have a graduate school background and want to discuss the subject at the graduate school / PhD level. I will change it to "I" for you.
 
Here is a simple but intuitive way of thinking about Euler's equation and oscillations (vibrations):


I suggest watching from the beginning (and also previous lessons).
It's a bit on the basic level, but perhaps you will gain better insights.
 
thank you all. I just logged back in, and saw there were additional comments.
Thank you.
 
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