Trying to derive a group velocity equation?

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The discussion centers on deriving the group velocity equation's inverse, specifically the formula 1/v_g = 1/c (n(λ) - λ(dn/dλ)), where n is the refractive index dependent on wavelength λ. The user employs differentiation techniques, including chain and product rules, to manipulate various equations involving k and ω, ultimately leading to a complex expression for 1/v_g. Despite extensive calculations, the user struggles to simplify the equation to demonstrate that a specific term equals λ, indicating a potential oversight in their approach.

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hi,
I am trying to derive the group velocity equation (actually its inverse):

\frac{1}{v_g} = \frac{1}{c}(n(\lambda) - \lambda\frac{dn}{d\lambda})
where n is the refractive index and depends on the light's wavelength.

I have started by saying that if v_g = \frac{\partial\omega}{\partial k} then I can do \frac{dk}{d\omega} = \frac{dk}{d\lambda}\frac{d\lambda}{d\omega}.

I then say that k=\frac{2\pi}{\lambda} and \omega=\frac{2\pi c}{n\lambda}, also that k=\frac{n\omega}{c} .

When I've done the differentiation I have been using chain rules and product rules.

After messing around with this stuff all bloody weekend and calculating every possible derivative a dozen times I am certain that (among other things):

\frac{d\lambda}{d\omega} = 2\pi c(\frac{-1}{n^2\omega^2} - \frac{1}{n^2\omega}\frac{dn}{d\omega})

\frac{dk}{d\omega} = \frac{4\pi^2c}{\lambda^2n^2\omega^2}(n + \omega\frac{dn}{d\omega})

\frac{dn}{d\omega} = c(\frac{1}{\omega}\frac{dk}{d\omega} - \frac{k}{\omega^2})

\frac{dk}{d\lambda} = \frac{-2\pi}{k^2}

there are more things I have calculated but I always seem to be going in circles, working out things that end up being in terms of just another "dx/dy".

after going through about 40 trees'worth of paper the closest I have got with this is to find that \frac{1}{v_g} = \frac{1}{c}(n - (\frac{4\pi^2 c}{n^2\omega^2\lambda}\frac{d\omega}{d\lambda} + \frac{4\pi^2 c}{n^3\omega\lambda}\frac{dn}{d\lambda})\frac{dn}{d\lambda})

and to finish I'd need to show that the bit in the brackets is equal to \lambda but I just can't. the fact that this is such a simple looking equation and that I have managed to spend over 12 hours in total tearing my hair out over this tells me I am probably overcomplicating things. Can anyone save my sanity here? I know this will be some simple trick that I'll feel like an idiot for not seeing.

thanks.
 
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Double check how you are taking those derivatives. For instance,

\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \left[ \alpha f(x) \beta g(x) \right] = \alpha \beta \left ( \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}g(x)+\frac{\partial g}{\partial x}f(x) \right )

where alpha and beta are constants
 
i'm pretty sure that's the way I was doing them.
 
You say that

k=\frac{n\omega}{c} \implies \frac{dk}{d\omega}=\frac{1}{c} \left ( n + \omega \frac{dn}{d\omega} \right)

yet also that

<br /> \frac{dk}{d\omega} = \frac{4\pi^2c}{\lambda^2n^2\omega^2}(n + \omega\frac{dn}{d\omega}) <br />
 
Notice that

\frac{1}{v_g} = \frac{dk}{d\omega} = \frac{d}{d\omega} \frac{n\omega}{c} = \frac{1}{c} \left ( n + \omega \frac{dn}{d\omega} \right)

\omega \frac{dn}{d\omega} = \omega \frac{dn}{d\lambda} \frac{d \lambda}{d\omega}

now calculate this last term and you should be done.
 

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