Trying to learn physics for first time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of self-learning physics, particularly for beginners. Participants explore the prerequisites for studying physics, the relevance of calculus, and the choice of textbooks, including the value of historical texts versus modern interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that basic Newtonian physics does not require calculus and recommends starting with a beginning physics textbook.
  • Another participant questions whether basic Newtonian physics is synonymous with classical mechanics and discusses the appropriateness of reading "Principia Mathematica" versus simplified texts.
  • Some participants clarify that classical mechanics can refer to a broader field beyond introductory Newtonian mechanics, which includes more complex concepts.
  • There are differing opinions on the value of reading historical texts like "Principia Mathematica," with some arguing that modern texts are more accessible and beneficial for learning.
  • One participant expresses a preference for modern resources, emphasizing that historical documents are not ideal for learning due to their outdated language and notation.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has found a modern book titled "Newtonian Physics" by Benjamin Crowell and plans to start there.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that modern textbooks are preferable for learning physics, but there is no consensus on the necessity of calculus for studying basic Newtonian physics or the value of reading historical texts like "Principia Mathematica." Multiple competing views remain regarding these topics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that terminology regarding classical mechanics is not standardized, which may lead to confusion about the scope of the subject. Additionally, there are unresolved questions about the prerequisites for studying physics effectively.

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hey smarty pants,

I'm trying to teach myself physics by what's on this site, but so far I feel like I'm missing something along the way. I'm taking Algebra @ college right now and not really having trouble with it, but should i learn calculus before attempting physics?

thank you,
.Billy
 
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Basic Newtonian physics does not require calculus. Better to pick up a beginning physics textbook and go through it. Ask questions you have on the book here.
 
Is basic Newtonian Physics also known as Classical Mechanics? Should I even attempt to read Principia Mathematica or find a simplified book on that topic?
 
When people say classical mechanics they are usually referring to stuff beyond introductory Newtonian mechanics, but the terminology isn't standardized and it can refer to Newtonian mechanics as well.

I don't think there is a lot of value in reading ancient original texts such as Principia. Scholars have taken that information and made it into a much more readable and learn-able format. If you already know the material and you're interested in history then you can probably find some value in reading original material, but otherwise you ought to stick to modern texts.
 
billyhigdon said:
Is basic Newtonian Physics also known as Classical Mechanics? Should I even attempt to read Principia Mathematica or find a simplified book on that topic?

Classical mechanics is a much broader field than Newtonian mechanics- it encompasses continua and fields in addition to point particles.

If you want to read the Pincipia, feel free to- but why not read a more modern text, one that has the benefit of 300+ years of additional insight? Newton is not the last word.
 
billyhigdon said:
Should I even attempt to read Principia Mathematica or find a simplified book on that topic?

Find a modern book on that topic. It doesn't have to be simplified. :smile:

The historical documents can be interesting, but they are most emphatically *NOT* a good place to learn the subject. The language and notation are very unusual to present day readers.
 
Cool, thank you for all the advice. I actually already found a book online called "Newtonian Physics" by Benjamin Crowell. I think I will start there and see where it takes me.
 

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