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The discussion revolves around setting up equations related to radioactive decay, specifically focusing on Uranium 235 and a new radioactive element. Participants are attempting to understand how to apply the half-life concept to these problems.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are exploring different equations for radioactive decay, including exponential decay formulas. There is confusion regarding the application of these equations to specific problems, particularly in identifying the correct variables and constants.

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Some participants have made progress in understanding the first equation, while others are still grappling with the second equation. Guidance has been offered regarding the general form of the decay equation, but there is still uncertainty about how to apply it correctly to the given scenarios.

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Participants express frustration with the clarity of explanations provided in class and the textbook examples, indicating a need for more thorough understanding of the concepts involved.

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I've been working on math this morning, and these two equations I can't figure out. I have a test tomorrow and want to understand how to set them up in case theyre on the test.
Equation 1
Uranium 235 is used as fuel for some nuclear reactors. It has a half-life of 710 million years. How long will it take 10 grams of uranium 235 to decay to 1 gram? --- answer is 2,360 million years



Equation 2
You are trying to determine the half-life of a new radioactive element you have isolated. You start with 1 gram, and 2 days later you determine that it has decayed down to 0.7 grams. What is its half-life? --- answer is 3.89 days


I've been trying various ways of setting these up with pe^rt and A(.999879)^t and simplifying with logs to no avail. If someone can help me please do!
 
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Where did you get ".999879"? The one thing that is directly given in each problem is "A".
 
HallsofIvy said:
Where did you get ".999879"? The one thing that is directly given in each problem is "A".

It's a general equation that the book gives. The entire thing reads C(t) = A(0.999879)^t
 
The general form of the equation would be N(t) = N(0)e-t*ln2/T, where T is the half-life, and N(0) is the number of atoms at time t = 0. So for each one, you have all the information you need.
 
daveb said:
The general form of the equation would be N(t) = N(0)e-t*ln2/T, where T is the half-life, and N(0) is the number of atoms at time t = 0. So for each one, you have all the information you need.

How would you set it up though?? I know I have all the information I just can't figure out where to put the information. For the first equation if I put 0 in for t the equation doesn't work out...if I put e-(10)*ln2/710 that doesn't work either.
 
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After a lot of hard work, I finally managed to figure out equation one.

I realize now daveb gave me the equation, but I didn't understand it.

So the equation would read: 1/10 = e^-([ln2]/710)t => ln(1/10) = -([ln2]/710)t => t = ln(1/10)/-([ln2]/710) = 2,360



I still am trying to figure out equation 2 but am confused
 
B-randon said:
I still am trying to figure out equation 2 but am confused
Use the equation that daveb gave again:
N(t) = N(0)e-t*ln2/T

You're given that if t = 2, N(t) = 0.7. Solve for T. (While he said that N(0) = number of atoms at t = 0, it doesn't have to be in terms of atoms. It could be in terms of moles, or grams.)
 
eumyang said:
Use the equation that daveb gave again:
N(t) = N(0)e-t*ln2/T

You're given that if t = 2, N(t) = 0.7. Solve for T. (While he said that N(0) = number of atoms at t = 0, it doesn't have to be in terms of atoms. It could be in terms of moles, or grams.)

THANK YOU! I never even thought of setting it up like that. I just get confused because there's so many equations, and it isn't explained thoroughly enough in class, as well as the examples the book gives aren't very helpful.
 

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