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Trying to Understand the Role of Water in Combustion

  1. Aug 15, 2008 #1
    Are these statements fair and true?

    Water is one of two products of the combustion of hydrogen.

    Flame is in part a visual manifestation of a collapse in energy state.

    Heat is a radiant manifestation of a collapse in energy state.

    The deeper the collapse in energy state the lower the state and temperature of the water produced.

    The following is statement is one of dual identity: an object cannot radiate before it accepts radiation

    While plasma cannot always be detected in flame due to inability to detect the temperature at which it must exist, evidence that it has been there exists.

    Plasma can be considered as sub-atomic particles so possessive of their radiant energy that the only way they can associate with each other is by interacting via radiation.

    If the above statements are valid interpretations of law, I question:

    What conditions would have to exist for the collapse in state to be so complete that water could not exist as a solid? Absolute zero? Or to put plasma in colloquial terms, "Something so hot that it has no place on the temperature scale."
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  3. Aug 15, 2008 #2


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    No .
  4. Aug 24, 2008 #3
    My humble answer... #2 is clearly wrong. Water like other things fall into a crystalline state of order as they approach absolute zero. Water is strange in that so far the electrons don't completely align as it falls to absolute zero like you would expect them to do. This is being investigated.

    If you get a cold state that makes it impossible for atoms to hold together it would have to be below what physics currently considers absolute zero. Do it and you can become a physics professor and get your face plastered all over Scientific American.
  5. Aug 24, 2008 #4


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    You might want to read up on Bose-Einstein Condensates.
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