Turbine suitable for exhaust waste heat recovery

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The discussion revolves around the recovery of waste heat from automobile exhaust using a heat exchanger and turbine system. Participants explore various turbine options and working fluids suitable for this application, considering the constraints of vehicle dimensions and the nature of low-quality heat.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is seeking suggestions for a suitable turbine to recover waste heat from automobile exhaust, mentioning the use of steam or refrigerant as working fluids.
  • Another participant explains the challenges of extracting energy from low-quality heat, noting that while it represents a significant energy source, practical extraction is limited due to low temperatures.
  • There is a mention of large gas turbines and combined cycle systems that extract energy from exhaust, with a discussion on the potential of using closed cycle organic working fluids like Lithium-Bromide for lower temperature applications.
  • A suggestion is made that a pneumatic motor might be more effective than a turbine, depending on the chosen working fluid.
  • One participant specifies a desired turbine size of around 7 to 8 inches to fit within the vehicle.
  • A question is raised about the suitability of quasiturbines for the application.
  • Another participant expresses unfamiliarity with quasiturbines but suggests that micro turbines could be a potential solution, while also noting their high cost relative to the heat available for recovery.
  • A comparison is made between micro turbines and turbochargers, indicating that turbochargers are a more cost-effective option despite being less efficient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the suitability of different turbine types and working fluids, with no consensus reached on the best approach or specific turbine model for the application.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of extracting energy from low-quality heat and the implications of turbine size and cost on practical applications. There are unresolved considerations regarding the efficiency and practicality of various turbine options and working fluids.

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hey guys,
i m new here, i m working at recovering waste heat from exhaust from an automobile using a heat exchanger and then turning a turbine using a working fluid such as steamor refrigerant but still mnot sure which turbine will be suitable for me to use considering the dimensions of the vehicle.
i will be highly obliged to get some suggestions
 
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You are dealing with what is called “low quality heat.” Simply put, this can represent a huge amount of energy, but since it is at such a low temperature you cannot practically extract much of it. As an extreme example, the ocean has a significant temperature difference between the surface and depths. It is therefore possible in theory to extract a huge amount of energy from the ocean; nobody has yet found a practical and profitable means of doing this.

In large gas turbines, they extract a great deal of useful energy from the exhaust and the intercoolers in various combined cycle systems. Each time they extract energy in stages, the exhaust gets cooler. Then finally it is still hot, but not hot enough to practically extract more energy. This final exhaust is also “low quality heat.”

But some plants have pushed the definition of “low quality” down to lower and lower temperatures, so that the final exhaust can now be at a lower temperature than in the past. They do this with various closed cycle mostly organic working fluids that boil at lower temperatures than water. Perhaps you could package a system based on Lithium-Bromide to be useful for your application. But don’t expect the product to be cheap.
 
Perhaps a turbine might be useful for your design. But if you pick the right working fluid, you might be better served by a commercially available pneumatic motor instead.
 
the size of turbine must be as small so that can be fitted . i expect it top be around 7 to 8 inches .
please suggest
 
are quasiturbines a solution for me ?
 
I don't know what a quasiturbine is.

Perhaps you mean a micro turbine. Lots are in use in many applications that physical size and smaller. But they are expensive enough so as not to be practical for the amount of heat available to recover from an automobile.

Think of a common turbocharger. It is basically a cheap and less efficient micro turbine.
 

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