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A military coup attempt is unfolding in Turkey, with both airports closed and significant military presence reported. President Erdoğan has called on citizens to gather in protest against the coup, while national television broadcasts the declaration of the coup. Initial reports indicate that the coup may be failing, as crowds have rallied in support of Erdoğan, who has labeled the uprising an "act of treason." There are concerns about potential civil unrest and casualties, with reports of gunfire and explosions in various locations. The situation remains fluid, with ongoing developments and uncertainty about the future political landscape in Turkey.
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jim hardy said:
i hope we've already quietly flown them out
I have my doubts that this could be done quietly. And how would you return them? Turkey is nowadays the last bastion between NATO and big trouble. From a military perspective it doesn't make much of a difference whether you have a military regime there or a dictatorship, which Turkey seemingly is to become.
 
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mheslep said:
Neither is the context comparable. Morsi was only there for only 13 months, slowly moving toward tyranny with the like of the November '12 declaration, immunizing himself to legal challenge, and granting himself any authority he deemed necessary. His purge of the army was also slow. By contrast, Sisi represents control by the Egyptian military, which has been the case for generations.

Yes. I stated that he wasn't in control, so there's only so much oppression his gang was capable of. I have no doubt he wanted to become tyrannical, and his supporters weren't even subtle about it. Though it was clear they weren't going to achieve any of that.

The other gang, however, can do as they please, as they've been in control since the 50's.
 
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fresh_42 said:
IMO this is a widely spread view in the US due to the lack of knowledge of any historical and cultural facts in the rest of the world.
Well, Afghanistan was Charlie Wilson's War( a good movie)
Iraq loooks like it was Bush's, republicans blame Obama for not following up on it
Lybia was Hillary's
Will Turkey be one of ours too ?What about Syria? Did anybody see Frontline last week? ISIS was started by a thuggish upstart OBL wannabe whom Saddam would have probably killed. He moved into Syria from North Iraq.
I've seen Assad interviewed twice now, once a couple years ago by Charlie Rose again a couple weeks ago on MSNBC i think it was.
Both times he said it's foreigners coming into his country to raise a ruckus
last week he said Russian airstrikes are way more effective than US and we're not really welcome anymore
we're throwing out the baby with the bathwater there IMHO

If Gulen is CIA backed it wouldn't surprise me but i only suspect it , have nothing concrete

JFK ? I wrote a short story on that one... Obviously it was the Nazis:wink:.
Titanic ? naahhhh,, but Lusitania maybe. Zimmerman telegram was two years later.
Conspiracy theories are great fun.

old jim
 
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EnumaElish said:
@mheslep do you have any backup for your outlandish claims? Did cia even exist back when titanic sank? Surely you are jestful? Or perhaps rather coyly argumentative?
EE, outlandish, wildly off topic (and wrong) claims with no reference is your game. Mocking them in this case is mine.

I'm not interested in a response. Delete the post I inititially responded to as off topic or at least provide references before making any demands of others.
 
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Wow, I can't believe there is still somebody out there who doesn't know that the CIA financed Bin Laden!
 
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HossamCFD said:
Yes. I stated that he wasn't in control, so there's only so much oppression his gang was capable of. I have no doubt he wanted to become tyrannical, and his supporters weren't even subtle about it. Though it was clear they weren't going to achieve any of that.

The other gang, however, can do as they please, as they've been in control since the 50's.
Agreed. My point then is that it is not so clear that military undermining a democracy (so called) is always and everywhere the worst outcome, though in my opinion a miltary coup is always a tragic outcome. My default instinct is to champion free elections, the rights of the individual, and democracy every time, anywhere. But the evidence has me checking my instincts.
 
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mheslep said:
Agreed. My point then is that it is not so clear that military undermining a democracy (so called) is always and everywhere the worst outcome, though in my opinion a miltary coup is always a tragic outcome. My default instinct is to champion free elections, the rights of the individual, and democracy every time, anywhere. But the evidence has me checking my instincts.

Okay this is something I feel very strongly about and it's probably the thing that frustrates me the most about all politics. So I'm going to rant. Apologies beforehand!

Also this is mainly from an Arabic perspective, I'm not sure if any of that applies to Turkey.

The thing is that military dictatorship has been the ruling paradigm for so long and it never led to anything good. Political Islam feeds on its oppression. I know very few people who have actually read "Milestones" or are aware of it, but many people revere Sayyid Qutb for standing against Nasser and losing his life in the process. If you take this victimhood from them they're left with nothing. I was actually happy when Morsi ended up in power (though of course I couldn't bare to actually vote for him). I thought finally after 80 years of spreading their venom they'll be allowed to destroy their legacy. And this is exactly what happened. He won with 51% of the vote (only because he was running against Mubarak's mate and last PM, Morsi only got about 26% in the first round) and in 1 year he all but lost the public support, he was only left with the most loyal Muslim Brotherhood supporters. I just hoped this democratic experiment would survive to the next election for this to materialise.

Democracy corrects itself. You vote for a terrible group (which at that point was the only only alternative people really knew) and then learn from your choice. I mean let people get a taste of theocracy. Let him actually try to enforce a dress code on women, or ban music. There were huge protests at even hints/rumours of more benign rulings.

IMO cheering for military dictatorship to keep away this beast only perpetuates the status-quo. And the beast would still grow in the undergrounds. There is a role for the military, and that is to make sure that when the time comes for the Islamists to lose the elections, they'll actually p#ss off peacefully. Instead what the army did was to grab the power for themselves and imprison/exile/kill anyone who objects (including the liberal secularists, they were not spared).
 
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mheslep said:
EE, outlandish, wildly off topic (and wrong) claims with no reference is your game. Mocking them in this case is mine.

I'm not interested in a response. Delete the post I inititially responded to as off topic or at least provide references before making any demands of others.
You're not interested doesn't mean I don't get to respond. Heh.

Not deleting it either. Feel free to report it.

I don't know if CIA funded bin Laden. As for my initial claim, which was:
The CIA ... kicked off the "jihadi resistance" against the soviets - the fruits of which include the Taliban, al-Qaida, and ISIS.
first of all would you please notice it was worded carefully. I did not claim CIA had any direct dealings with the T, the a-Q or the IS. My claim is:
1. The CIA kicked off the jihadi resistance against the soviets. Not "Arab resistance." Not "salafi terrorists." Not "wahabi whatnots."
2. There exists a causal link from the jihadist resistance against the soviets to any of the above. Not because the CIA planned it, or could pull it off even if they did. I am not even claiming that the CIA created any of the above unintentionally. AFAIK they arose by and large independently of any US covert involvement.

Point 1 is beyond dispute. Charlie Wilson's War the movie does not really do justice to the book. So I highly recommend the book. It is wildly entertaining, far more than the movie. (Despite strong performances all around.)

As a second source I'll refer to the US's "preeminent think tank with a regional focus" as wikipedia puts it unsparingly - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), or The Washington Institute among friends, or just The Institute for the insider (which I definitely am not):

Who Is Responsible for the Taliban?
ARMING THE AFGHAN RESISTANCE
The decision to arm the Afghan resistance came within two weeks of the Soviet invasion, and quickly gained momentum.(21) In 1980, the Carter administration allocated only $30 million for the Afghan resistance, though under the Reagan administration this amount grew steadily. In 1985, Congress earmarked $250 million for Afghanistan, while Saudi Arabia contributed an equal amount. Two years later, with Saudi Arabia still reportedly matching contributions, annual American aid to the mujahidin reportedly reached $630 million.(22) This does not include contributions made by other Islamic countries, Israel, the People's Republic of China, and Europe. Many commentators cite the huge flow of American aid to Afghanistan as if it occurred in a vacuum; it did not. According to Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid, the Soviet Union contributed approximately $5 billion per year into Afghanistan in an effort to support their counterinsurgency efforts and prop up the puppet government in Kabul.(23) Milton Bearden, Central Intelligence Agency station chief in Pakistan between 1986 and 1989, commented that by 1985, the occupying Soviet 40th army had swollen to almost 120,000 troops and with some other elements crossing into the Afghan theater on a temporary duty basis.(24)

Initially, the CIA refused to provide American arms to the resistance, seeking to maintain plausible deniability.(25) (The State Department, too, also opposed providing American-made weapons for fear of antagonizing the Soviet Union.(26) The 1983 suggestion of American Ambassador to Pakistan Ronald Spiers, that the U.S. provide Stingers to the mujahidin accordingly went nowhere for several years.(27) Much of the resistance to the supply of Stinger missiles was generated internally from the CIA station chief's desire (prior to the accession of Bearden to the post) to keep the covert assistance program small and inconspicuous. Instead, the millions appropriated went to purchase Chinese, Warsaw Pact, and Israeli weaponry. Only in March 1985, did Reagan's national security team formally decide to switch their strategy from mere harassment of Soviet forces in Afghanistan to driving the Red Army completely out of the country.(28) After vigorous internal debate, Reagan's military and national security advisors agreed to provide the mujahidin with the Stinger anti-aircraft missile. At the time, the United States possessed only limited numbers of the weapon. Some of the Joint Chiefs of Staff also feared accountability problems and proliferation of the technology to Third World countries.(29) It was not until September 1986, that the Reagan administration decided to supply Stinger anti-aircraft missiles to the mujahidin, thereby breaking the embargo on "Made-in-America" arms.

For the interested researcher here's the link to the full report: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban

P.S. mujahidin simply means "jihadists."
 
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russ_watters said:
I'm not, since it is at this point still just a myth/conspiracy theory (popular or not):

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/02/rand-pauls-bin-laden-claim-is-urban-myth/
Perhaps "Bin Laden" is the new codename for "mujahideen".
Operation Cyclone: strategic meddling, at its finest.
Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken; funding ... rose to $630 million per year in 1987.

Anyways, trying to get back on topic.
This just in, from the Twitterverse:

Lotte LeichtVerified account ‏@LotteLeicht1 July 19, 2016
#Turkey
purge widens to education sector: 1,500 university deans ordered to resign, 15,000 education staff suspended​

I may not be the most educated person when it comes to history, but this kind of reminds me of stories of the Soviet Union, under Stalin.
The Great Purge

I'll have to read it later.

[edit] According to the CPI inflation calculator, $630 million = $1.34 billion, today.
 
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OmCheeto said:
Perhaps "Bin Laden" is the new codename for "mujahideen".
Yes, it is my perception that the myth grew from that conflagration.
 
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OmCheeto said:
I may not be the most educated person when it comes to history, but this kind of reminds me of stories of the Soviet Union, under Stalin.
Have you had the pleasure of reading "Stalin and his hangmen" ?
 
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1oldman2 said:
Have you had the pleasure of reading "Stalin and his hangmen" ?
Nope.
I trudged through the most boring or books, back when I was 16: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany, by Shirer.
It ruined me for life.
 
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OmCheeto said:
Nope.
I trudged through the most boring or books, back when I was 16: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany, by Shirer.
It ruined me for life.
This is different, not at all boring, I highly recommend it.:thumbup:
 
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1oldman2 said:
This is different, not at all boring, I highly recommend it.:thumbup:

hmmm...

Amazon.com intros:

Stalin and His Hangmen: The Tyrant and Those Who Killed for Him Paperback – December 13, 2005
Stalin did not act alone. The mass executions, the mock trials, the betrayals and purges, the jailings and secret torture that ravaged the Soviet Union during the three decades of Stalin’s dictatorship, were the result of a tight network of trusted henchmen (and women), spies, psychopaths, and thugs. At the top of this pyramid of terror sat five indispensable hangmen who presided over the various incarnations of Stalin’s secret police. Now, in his harrowing new book, Donald Rayfield probes the lives, the minds, the twisted careers, and the unpunished crimes of Stalin’s loyal assassins.

Stalin was in power in the 30's +/- 15 years, so the book is a 70 year retrospective.

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany Reissue Edition [first published in 1960]
Hailed as “one of the most important works of history of our time” (The New York Times), this definitive chronicle of Hitler’s rise to power is back in hardcover with a new introductory essay by Ron Rosenbaum (Explaining Hitler and How the End Begins) commemorating the fiftieth anniversary of its National Book Award win.

Published only 15 years after the fall of the Reich.

I suppose, as a 16 year old, I would not have recognized the psychopathic nature of Hitler's fellow henchmen, in Shirer's book.

Perhaps I should read both books.

Odds are though, that I won't, as there's a bit going on right now.
 
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OmCheeto said:
Perhaps I should read both books.
I've never read "the rise and fall" (I'll read yours if you'll read mine) :ok:
 
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1oldman2 said:
I've never read "the rise and fall" (I'll read yours if you'll read mine) :ok:
Nope.
After so many years, you start to understand general human nature.
I'm more interested in this new "Turkish" story, as there are lots of new plot twists.

The internet, for one.

And back to the news:

Szilard Locsei ‏@locsei July 19, 2016
#Turkey revokes licenses of 24 radio and television stations as #SultanErdogan goes #FullDictator
https://aboutcroatia.net/news/world/turkey-revokes-licenses-24-radio-and-television-stations-29740… via https://twitter.com/about_croatia​

hmmm...
Only about 5% of the planet actively uses Twitter. And #Turkey is only generating a tweet per second from my last check.
I wonder what the other 95% of the armchair quarterbacks are thinking about this situation?
Or, are they all chasing Pokemon, and just don't care?
 
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OmCheeto said:
After so many years, you start to understand general human nature.
this applies to...
OmCheeto said:
are they all chasing Pokemon, and just don't care?
:smile:
 
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Thanks for the thoughtful response
HossamCFD said:
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The thing is that military dictatorship has been the ruling paradigm for so long and it never led to anything good.
Agreed.

Political Islam feeds on its oppression.
Agreed. Oppression does not only come from military juntas though; see the oppressive theocracies in Iran and now with ISIS

I know very few people who have actually read "Milestones" or are aware of it, but many people revere Sayyid Qutb for standing against Nasser and losing his life in the process. If you take this victimhood from them they're left with nothing.
Wright's "Looming Tower" which I've read begins with Qutb's journey through post WWII America, follows his return to Egypt and briefly discusses Milestones, the book Nasser used to kill him. I don't follow the relevance of Qutb to democracy at this point; yes Qutb spoke against the oppression under Nasser, formed the Brothers and started another revolution, but Qutb had zero use for Western anything when he came home, including democracy.

I was actually happy when Morsi ended up in power (though of course I couldn't bare to actually vote for him). I thought finally after 80 years of spreading their venom they'll be allowed to destroy their legacy. And this is exactly what happened. He won with 51% of the vote (only because he was running against Mubarak's mate and last PM, Morsi only got about 26% in the first round) and in 1 year he all but lost the public support, he was only left with the most loyal Muslim Brotherhood supporters. I just hoped this democratic experiment would survive to the next election for this to materialise.
I'm American; I was also happy at the time that Morsi won (a USC PhD no less).

Democracy corrects itself. You vote for a terrible group (which at that point was the only only alternative people really knew) and then learn from your choice. I mean let people get a taste of theocracy. Let him actually try to enforce a dress code on women, or ban music. There were huge protests at even hints/rumours of more benign rulings.
I agree self-correction is part of a working democracy; it replaces revolution in the right circumstances. But democracy does not always self-correct. Not always. Apparently there must also be a sense of self-rule and pluralism in place among the populace first, something along the lines of what Tocqueville described.

... There is a role for the military, and that is to make sure that when the time comes for the Islamists to lose the elections, they'll actually p#ss off peacefully.
That role presupposes a military that somehow remains devoted to pluralism and the rule of law despite the government doing otherwise, and not one run by radical Islamists as in Iran, a project Morsi had underway. A Turkish version of this is now underway by Erdogan, which is interesting and ... keeps us barely on topic.
 
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The Wikileaks are available if anyone is interested.

Search the AKP email database

Unfortunately, they are mostly in Turkish.

Note to non-Turkish speakers who might be interested:
My Chrome browser would not offer to translate the documents, so I manually cut and paste them into "Google Translate".
I later discovered that you can right-click on the emails, and Chrome gives you an option there to translate them.
The option is NOT in the Chrome menu bar, that I could find. :oldgrumpy:

I did a search for "Gulen", and came up with 137 documents.
Most appear to be harvested from: Turkiye-icin-el-ele@googlegroups.com
The few Turkish documents I translated were uninteresting.
Only one was in English, and was somewhat interesting, for the US-Turkish recent historical perspective:

[Turkish Forum - E Turkiyeyiz Biz] Newly Released U.S. State Dept. Human Rights Report for 2015 Slams Turkey & Egypt
From: erdal@turkishnews.com
To: eturkiyeyizbiz@googlegroups.com, turkish-forum-advisory-board@googlegroups.com
Date: 2016-04-14 11:25
Subject: [Turkish Forum - E Turkiyeyiz Biz] Newly Released U.S. State Dept. Human Rights Report for 2015 Slams Turkey & Egypt​

The document appears to contain nothing that was not already publicly accessible. [U.S. State Dept re: Turkey]
But does, as the subject line states, slam Turkey's pre-coup abuses of freedom in the country.

It's very long, so I just skimmed it.
Interesting highlights can be found by searching for "Gulen".

example; "A number of media outlets affiliated with the Fethullah Gulen movement were dropped from digital media platforms (cable providers) and five outlets were taken under the control of government-appointed trustees. Representatives of Gulenist and some liberal media outlets were denied access to official events and in some cases, denied press accreditation."
 
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Alleged coup leader: Gen. Akin Ozturk, member of the supreme military council, previously head of the Turkish AF. Used to be military intelligence at some point. He was apprehended, questioned, in custody. In his testimony he rejected the accusation that he was the leader or part of the coup, or knew anything about it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akın_Öztürk

There are posts that it's divine justice that "he who bombed Kurds" is now in handcuffs, appears physically injured as he is presented to the press.

In press photos his ear appears covered with bandage. There appears to be scars on his face.
 
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OmCheeto said:
It's very long, so I just skimmed it.
Interesting highlights can be found by searching for "Gulen".

Thanks OM i skimmed it too, as well as the state dept link.

here's hoping things remain calm at Incirlik
the folks they arrested were their own
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-turkey-coup-20160717-snap-story.html
Though the base reopened for air operations Sunday after a 24-hour closure, official media reported the arrest of the top Turkish military official at Incirlik, Gen. Bekir Ercan Van.

i guess our h-bombs are okay

Home > News > Article Display
Pentagon press secretary comments on situations in Turkey
By Peter Cook, Pentagon Press Secretary / Published July 17, 2016PRINT | E-MAIL

"After close coordination with our Turkish allies, they have reopened their airspace to military aircraft. As a result, counter-ISIL coalition air operations at all air bases in Turkey have resumed. U.S. facilities at Incirlik are still operating on internal power sources, but we hope to restore commercial power soon. Base operations have not been affected."

"don't take your guns to town, boy.. son." johnny cash
thanks OCR

old jim
 
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jim hardy said:
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i guess our h-bombs are okay"don't take your guns to town, boy..." johnny cash

The US supposedly has nuclear weapons abroad in five countries. A coup prone Turkey should not be one of them IMO.
 
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jim hardy said:
"don't take your guns to town, boy..." johnny cash

old jim
Aww heck old jim, don't mean to be picky here, but it's actually ... don't take your guns to town, son ... sorry...:redface:
 
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On the day (or maybe the next day) the alleged coup leader was apprehended, newspapers published his "confession." A day later same "news sources" retracted it.

The alleged coup (once proven in court of law I guess) will have destroyed any chain-of-command responsibility emanating from the actions of the coup participants, for their higher-ups. Significantly, the government and the president. Anything nasty the coup participants may have done will have become the responsibilty of "rouge army units," not the rest of the army or any part of the establishment.

In other news, Turkey has declared a state of emergency for 3 months. AFAIK it can be renewed indefinitely. Simply put: fewer freedoms. Boosts executive powers, reduces judicial oversight. All residents have to carry an id card at all times and present it to authorities, who can now demand to see people's "papers" at random times and places. Police empowered to shoot on sight upon crowds, including demonstrations.
 
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Alleged coup plotter Gen. Adem Huduti also rejects accusations.

Lawywers have refused to represent alleged plotters.

What kind of a rotten judicial system fails to assign lawyers to a defendant? I mean, lawyers are found to defend (alleged) serial killers, rapists, molesters; but not coup plotters?
 
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EnumaElish said:
"rouge army units

Rouge army ? Do they suspect Redneck or Russian involvement?
 
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jim hardy said:
Rouge army ? Do they suspect Redneck or Russian involvement?
You forgot Khmer Rouge.
From the context, I think it should have been "rogue".
Ironic misspelling, to say the least.
 
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Wierd consequences of the coup attempt:

* After the coup attempt all armed forces were put under lockdown. The Kurdish separatist guerillas (the PKK, considered terrorists by Turkey) have reportedly had an almost free reign since then.

* Army units used to donate leftover food to animal shelters. With the lockdown in effect, they have not been able to do so. Apparently as a result, food supplies in some shelters have become critically low.

* Soldiers that had been discharged a few years ago on the basis of accusations of plotting a coup against the government (the so-called Sledgehammer case) are being given posts recently emptied by discharges of military personnel as part of the most recent alleged coup attempt.1
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1Alleged plotters of the most recent coup (the so-called Gulenists) have been accused of manufacturing evidence against defendants in the previous alleged coup attempt. The attempted coup of a few days ago would not only sever the chain-of-command responsibility for criminal liability (if any) by the Turkish military; it would also sever the judicial/administrative chain of responsibility from potential accusations of prosecutorial malfeasance such as "manufactured evidence" in the previous coup cases. However, the attempted coup would not necessarily sever the chain of responsibility for possible criminal activities committed during Turkish government's fervent support of the Syrian rebels. Ridding of that responsibility might require an even grander scapegoat, and may include parts of the Turkish intelligence services and/or the Gazze Flotilla crowd. Stay tuned for a few years, folks.

Caveat emptor - any and all of my posts on this topic are pure and rank speculation.
 
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OmCheeto said:
You forgot Khmer Rouge.
From the context, I think it should have been "rogue".
Ironic misspelling, to say the least.
Thanks for pointing it out.
 
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It appears that the Putinisation of Turkey is now under way. . .
 
  • #83
Dr Wu said:
It appears that the Putinisation of Turkey is now under way. . .
Tug-of-War or Chess?
if he can pull Turkey away from NATO i suppose it's a good chess move
I can understand Putin being nervous about NATO missile silos in the area, and our H-bombs
we didn't want theirs in Cuba, either
Russia's ambassador said just that to Charlie Rose a year or two ago, i happened to tune in and thought "He does have a point" .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Poland-ship-missiles-region-say-experts.html
The Russians could invade Poland 'overnight' and the US needs to do more to beef up Nato defences in the area and send more missiles to the region to deter Moscow.

A 25-page document by the US-based http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/images/publications/Arming_for_Deterrence_web_0719.pdf think thank says Nato needs to do more to 'counter a resurgent Russia'.
GrandChessboard.jpg

Anybody else have an opinion on this piece ? Not too long a read.
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/images/publications/Arming_for_Deterrence_web_0719.pdf
THE THREAT FROM RUSSIA
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime does
not disguise its hostility toward the West and its
main institutions—NATO and the European Union
(EU). Western values such as democracy, pluralism,
transparency, human rights, freedoms, and the rule
of law are antithetical to a kleptocratic, authoritarian
regime. The Kremlin has, therefore, viewed with
undisguised alarm both recent “color revolutions”
in its neighborhood and the uprisings of the Arab
Spring.
Fearing that this is what is in store for Russia, the
Kremlin has accused the West of instigating or even
“weaponizing” those upheavals. Putin has set out to
aggressively delegitimize, discredit, and undermine
Western policies and institutions as well as the
entire post-Cold War norms-based security order.
For all intents and purposes, Moscow has declared
the West its chief enemy, as explicitly stated in
Russia’s revised National Security Strategy signed
late last year by President Vladimir Putin.
see last page, authors
Gen. Sir Richard Shirreff was NATO’s Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe from 2011 to 2014. He is a partner at Strategia Worldwide Ltd. He recently published
“2017: War with Russia.”

Maciej Olex-Szczytowski is an independent business adviser, specializing in Defense. In 2011-12 he was Special Economic Adviser to Poland’s Foreign Minister, Radoslaw Sikorski. Prior to this, he served as CEO of Poland’s Military Property Agency.
 
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In related news:

US's top general denies report that ret. US general was involved in Turkey’s coup attempt http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?pageID=238&nID=102136&NewsCatID=358

Amnesty International reports on July 24 that alleged coup participants' human rights were being violated while in custody:
the sun said:
The spate of high profile suicides follows an Amnesty International report that 10,000 detained Turkish troops have been raped, starved and left without water for days.

The group claim that the detainees, who were imprisoned after the failed military coup, are being held in stables and sports halls.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14953...d-and-beaten-in-unofficial-detention-centres/

Then yesterday the pro-govt. Yeni Safak claims Amnesty Int. is "on the side of the coup" *because* it defended the rights of the [alleged] coup participants.

http://m.yenisafak.com/gundem/af-orgutu-darbe-safinda-2499535 (in Turkish)

The Wikipedia entry on YS is a must-read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeni_Şafak
 
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