Tutors can't always be trusted, Anyone ever seen the tutor do this stuff

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The discussion revolves around the reliability of tutors and their approaches to problem-solving in educational settings. Participants explore various scenarios where tutors may not provide accurate assistance, either due to lack of knowledge or poor communication skills. The conversation touches on experiences in tutoring, peer tutoring, and teaching assistant roles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that tutors may either fabricate incorrect solutions to maintain their position or refer students to others when they lack knowledge.
  • Others argue that tutors may not explain concepts effectively due to personal biases or simply because their teaching style does not resonate with every student.
  • A participant shares their experience as a peer tutor, emphasizing the importance of collaborative problem-solving rather than providing direct answers.
  • Another participant reflects on their experience as a teaching assistant, noting that it is common to feel uncertain and that more experienced tutors may handle such situations better by stalling for time or admitting their limitations.
  • Some participants highlight the value of acknowledging one's limitations in knowledge, suggesting that this honesty can foster a better learning environment.
  • There is a recognition that complex problems can be misleadingly simple at first glance, and effective tutors should guide students through established problem-solving methods.

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Participants express a range of views on the reliability of tutors, with no clear consensus on the frequency or reasons behind tutors' failures to provide accurate assistance. Some agree on the importance of honesty in tutoring, while others emphasize the variability in teaching effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that tutors may struggle with certain topics or explanations, and that different students may require different teaching methods. There is also mention of the emotional and psychological pressures faced by tutors when they do not know the answers.

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This discussion may be of interest to students seeking tutoring, educators reflecting on their teaching practices, and those involved in peer tutoring or teaching assistant roles.

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Some of the tutors either
a.) Don't know how to do the problem that a student asks for help with, and as a result either, they will either make up some unreal and totally wrong way to do it, thinking that they should do that to help keep their tutoring job, and that no one would ever know, or tell the student that they don't know how and then refer that student to another tutor.
b.) They, do know how to do the problem, only they don't explain it properly because they don't like, or are offended by the person for whatever reason, and don't want that student to know how to do it.

Anyone think that either of these, or other things happen frequently, or have seen either happen?
 
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I have been a peer tutor for 2 years now, and if I don't know the answer I tell them that and then we all try to work through the problem together and if we get stuck so be it. Of course I try to make sure the group works through the problems regardless of whether or not I know them because it isn't very helpful if the tutor just gives the answer.

I have never made up an answer or lied to a tutee because I didn't like them. If you think a tutor is doing that maybe you should talk to that individuals boss and try to get a new tutor.
 
Don't know how to do the problem that a student asks for help with, and as a result either, they will either make up some unreal and totally wrong way to do it, thinking that they should do that to help keep their tutoring job, and that no one would ever know, or tell the student that they don't know how and then refer that student to another tutor.
Uh, if you don't like either option (make something up or refer out), what's a tutor to do? If I know someone else knows the answer to something I'm unsure about, I always ask 'cause I think it's in the student's best interest to get a solid answer.

b.) They, do know how to do the problem, only they don't explain it properly because they don't like, or are offended by the person for whatever reason, and don't want that student to know how to do it.
Are you sure it's not something far more innocent? Sometimes tutors just explain stuff badly or are bad with certain topics, or their explanations just don't gel with the students thinking. People think differently, so the same teaching method may not work for everyone. I can explain some topics really well to fellow tutors but have it hit or miss with students, and I can use the same explanation for two students and have one of 'em get it and the other one give me a blank look.
 
In my experience as an undergraduate TA, I haven't always known the right answers. When you first start trying to answer questions (a year after finishing the course you're trying to help teach) the first response is panic, and its very tempting to try to figure things out as you go. Sometimes that works, and sometimes you end up confused and the students end up thinking you're an idiot.

More experienced TAs are both better at stalling (i.e., keeping the students thinking while figuring out the problem) and more willing to admit they aren't sure how to answer a question. I've also had professors tell me they aren't sure how to answer a question, and frankly I appreciate it when professors are honest enough to say, "this is a really difficult problem, and after so many years of teaching this subject I'm still learning it"
 
A wise person once said, "I don't know".

One of the beauties of the natural sciences is that a problem which looks remarkably simple at first glance can be an interesting monster (three body problem, anyone?). A good TA (and Professor) will admit that they don't know everything. They should have, however, experience of approaches that often work, so sometimes by bringing the student back to those key problem solving steps, they can help the student see how to go about solving the problem.

And yes, sometimes we rattle off those steps so WE can see what's going on clearer as well.
 
It is much easier to make an idiot out of yourself stating that you know when you don't, than admitting you don't know, but you will try to find out.
 

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