Twist of an open versus closed cylinder

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The discussion focuses on determining the required thickness of closed and open tubes to achieve the same twist angle and maximum shear stress, using the provided parameters: G=20GPa, T=50Nm, and tr=1mm for the open tube. The equations used include theta=(TL)/(GJ) for twist angle and tau=T*Ro/J for shear stress. The user, Robin, encountered complex fourth-degree equations while attempting to substitute variables, leading to confusion about the derivation process. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the equations for both tube types to solve the problem effectively.

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Homework Statement


a) Determine what the thickness should be in a closed tube versus an open tube to have the same twist angle
b) Determine what the thickness should be in a closed tube versus an open tube to have the same max shear stress

G=20GPa
T=50Nm
tr=1mm (for the open tube)

Also see the attachment


Homework Equations


a)
theta=(TL)/(GJ)

For closed:
J=pi/2(Ro^4-Ri^4)
Ro=Outer radius
Ri=inner radius

For open:
J=st^3/3 => J=1/3(D+tr)=1/3*pi*(D+1)
where:
s= circumference of circle (2pi*rm), rm is the radius up to the middle of the bar (between inner and outer, so 1/2D+1/2t)
t=thickness

b)

For closed:
tau=T*Ro/J

For open:
tau=T*t/J

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the J for the open and closed tube. However, I get a fourth degree equation, because I tried to substitute Ro=tl+D/2 into the equation to calculate J. After expansion I had terms containing tl^4, tl^3, tl^2 and tl, which resulted in a really long derivation of tl, however, I don't think that is necessary for this assignment. For the shear it was even worse, the resulting equation for tl didn't even fit on my paper.

Do I miss something here?

Thanks in advance,
Robin

P.s. Sorry for the equations written in this way, Latex didn't seem to work, it gave errors (while I was sure I typed it correctly)
 

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Is there anyone who can enlighten me?

Latex does work now, I'll restate the relevant equations (I can't edit my post)..

2. Homework Equations
a)
\theta=\frac{TL}{GJ}

For closed:
J=\frac{\pi}{2(R_0^4-R_0^4)}
Ro=Outer radius
Ri=inner radius

For open:
J=\frac{st^3}{3} => J=\frac{1}{3}(D+tr)=\frac{1}{3}\pi(D+1)
where:
s= circumference of circle (2pi*rm), rm is the radius up to the middle of the bar (between inner and outer, so 1/2D+1/2t)
t=thickness

b)

For closed:
\tau=\frac{TR_0}{J}

For open:
\tau=\frac{Tt}{J}
 

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