Two dimensional anti de Sitter space without cosmological constant?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a two-dimensional anti de Sitter (AdS) space, specifically focusing on the calculation of the Einstein tensor and its implications in the context of general relativity in lower dimensions. Participants explore the results of their calculations and the theoretical underpinnings of gravity in two dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant believes they have derived a metric for AdS_2 but finds the Einstein tensor to be zero, questioning the validity of their result.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial calculations may be incorrect, as they obtained a non-zero Einstein tensor through manual computation.
  • A third participant corroborates the second participant's findings, indicating that they also found a non-zero Einstein tensor using manual methods.
  • Some participants report using various computational tools, including Maple and Mathematica, and find that these tools yield a zero Einstein tensor.
  • One participant mentions that the Einstein tensor vanishes identically in two-dimensional gravity, referencing theoretical texts to support this claim.
  • Another participant expresses surprise at the counterintuitive nature of intrinsic curvature existing in two spatial dimensions despite the vanishing Einstein tensor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the calculations of the Einstein tensor, as some participants report a non-zero result while others confirm it is zero. The discussion reflects competing views on the properties of the Einstein tensor in two-dimensional gravity.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the definitions and properties of the Einstein tensor in lower-dimensional spacetimes, noting that the results may depend on the specific definitions and assumptions used in their calculations.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying general relativity, particularly in lower dimensions, as well as individuals exploring computational methods in tensor calculus.

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I have a spacetime which is (I think) AdS_2. The metric is,

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I'm trying to find the Einstein tensor, defined as,

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and the result is zero! I thought that, for the AdS spacetimes I needed to have a nonzero Einstein tensor which is caused by the cosmological constant.

What is wrong with my calculation? Or can you assure me that my result is correct and this metric is not AdS?

I'm using GRTensorII to do the calculations.
 
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hey check your calculations...I tried calculating it manually and I got a non-zero Einstein tensor. I got it as a diagonal matrix.
 
aashay said:
hey check your calculations...I tried calculating it manually and I got a non-zero Einstein tensor. I got it as a diagonal matrix.

Thank you for your efforts. I will do so. It will be the first time that grtensor confused me.
 
You are welcome..By the way, what is 'grtensor'?Is it some kind of software?
 
aashay said:
You are welcome..By the way, what is 'grtensor'?Is it some kind of software?

GRTensorII is a Maple package for tensor and GR calculations:

http://grtensor.org/
 
Very weird but I also tried with two other ways with computer. The internal packages of Maple and EinsteinTensor package of Mathematica library. They both gave zero Enstein tensor again!
 
I checked using Maxima and ctensor, and I verified that the Einstein tensor was zero:
Code:
load(ctensor);
dim:2;
ct_coords:[t,x];
lg:matrix([-(1+x^2),0],
          [0,1/(1+x^2)]);
cmetric();
einstein(true);
Maxima and ctensor are free and open-source, so anyone who wants to check this and play around with it can do so. E.g., if aashay has calculated the Riemann tensor, he/she could change the code so that it would output that, and we could compare and see if they're the same.

I would assume that spacetime curvature has a very simple characterization in 1+1 dimensions, e.g., there can only be one nonvanishing element in the Riemann tensor.
 
Thank you very much bcrowell!

Learning never ends :) It was my first deal with 1+1 gravity and now I checked with some books and saw that the Einstein tensor identically vanishes in 2D gravity because of the definition.

(See for example: "Lower dimensional gravity" by John David Brown or "Diverse topics in theoretical and mathematical physics" by Roman Jackiw. They are both available as Google books.)
 
implicitnone said:
Learning never ends :) It was my first deal with 1+1 gravity and now I checked with some books and saw that the Einstein tensor identically vanishes in 2D gravity because of the definition.

Ah, that's interesting. Kind of counterintuitive, since you *can* have intrinsic curvature in two spatial dimensions.
 
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bcrowell said:
Ah, that's interesting. Kind of counterintuitive, since you *can* have intrinsic curvature in two spatial dimensions.

It really is! Knowing that I can still count on GRTensorII feels good :)
 

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