Uniqueness theorems for black holes

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The discussion revolves around the uniqueness theorems for black holes in the context of Einstein's field equations (EFE) with a cosmological constant. Participants explore the existence of multiple solutions, the implications of different cosmological constants, and the comparison with asymptotically flat spacetimes.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that there are infinitely many solutions to the EFE with a cosmological constant, citing de Sitter and anti-de Sitter spacetimes as examples.
  • Others question the meaning of "unique solutions" and whether different values of the cosmological constant constitute distinct solutions.
  • One participant mentions that the FLRW metric with a cosmological constant is equivalent to de Sitter or anti-de Sitter spacetime, depending on the sign of the constant.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of uniqueness theorems for EFE with a cosmological constant, contrasting with established theorems for asymptotically flat spacetimes.
  • Some participants seek counterexamples or explanations for the absence of uniqueness theorems similar to Birkhoff's or Robinson-Israel's for cases involving a cosmological constant.
  • There is a discussion about the Schwarzschild solutions combined with de Sitter or anti-de Sitter metrics as potential solutions with a nonzero cosmological constant.
  • One participant expresses frustration over perceived misunderstandings and the clarity of their questions regarding uniqueness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of solutions to the EFE with a cosmological constant. There is no consensus on the definition of "unique solutions" or the implications of multiple solutions.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the nature of solutions, the definitions of uniqueness, and the implications of different cosmological constants. Some mathematical steps and definitions remain unresolved.

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I am under the impression, there is no unique solutions to Einstein's field equations for a cosmological constant, or for higher dimensional spacetimes. Has anybody got a counter example for a solution including the cosmo constant to show there are multiple solutions, for example, i know of the de sitter spacetimes (\ads) , but I am not sure of any others. Is the FLRW metric an exact solution for a cosmological constant? I am studying specifically black holes.
 
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Of course there are infinitely many solution of the Einstein field equations with cosmological constant.
 
Could you give me an example of a few of these solutions? Other than de sitter/anti solution
 
Max Green said:
I am under the impression, there is no unique solutions to Einstein's field equations for a cosmological constant

Where are you getting this impression from? And what do you mean by "unique solutions"? Obviously there are infinitely many de Sitter spacetimes, since there are infinitely many possible values for the cosmological constant. Do those count as different solutions, or do all of them count as just one? Also, if the cosmological constant is zero or negative, the global character of the solution is significantly different; does that count as a different solution?

Max Green said:
Is the FLRW metric an exact solution for a cosmological constant?

The FLRW metric with a cosmological constant (and no other matter content) is just de Sitter spacetime (more precisely, de Sitter if the constant is positive, or anti-de Sitter if the constant is negative).
 
I mean, for asymptotically flat 4-d spacetimes, we have unique solutions, ie. kerr metric for rotational source with no charge, in which we only require the mass and angular momentum to find a unique black hole solution. I'm wanting to apply this for EFE with a cosmological constant, why are there multiple solutions instead of a unique one such as kerr metric, kerr newman, schwarzschild in the vacuum flat case.
 
Max Green said:
for asymptotically flat 4-d spacetimes

Max Green said:
I'm wanting to apply this for EFE with a cosmological constant

There are no asymptotically flat solutions with a nonzero cosmological constant. So what you are trying to do doesn't make sense.
 
Max Green said:
why are there multiple solutions instead of a unique one such as kerr metric, kerr newman, schwarzschild in the vacuum flat case

What "multiple solutions" are you referring to?
 
PeterDonis said:
What "multiple solutions" are you referring to?
Ok to rephrase this, why is there no uniqueness theorem for EFE with a cosmological constant..can you give a counter example? or a simple reason as to why we don't have uniqueness theorems like birkhoff's or robinsons/israels but for a cosmo constant
 
Max Green said:
why is there no uniqueness theorem for EFE with a cosmological constant

If you mean a solution to the EFE with a cosmological constant and no other stress-energy present, the solutions are known: de Sitter spacetime for a positive cosmological constant, and anti-de Sitter spacetime for a negative cosmological constant.

I'm still not sure what you mean by "unique solutions" or why you think this is somehow an issue.
 
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so is there a uniqueness theorem for the EFE with a cosmological constant? if there is only one solution (de sitter spacetime) for positive constant, that is a unique solution for a cosmological constant? are there other metrics that can describe a spacetime with cosmo constant, T=0, other than de sitter?
 
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Max Green said:
so is there a uniqueness theorem for the EFE with a cosmological constant?

I don't know if there is a named theorem. See below.

Max Green said:
if there is only one solution (de sitter spacetime) for positive constant, that is a unique solution for a cosmological constant?

You tell me; you're the one who keeps using the term "unique solution" without explaining what you mean by it, despite being asked.

Max Green said:
are there other metrics that can describe a spacetime with cosmo constant, T=0, other than de sitter?

More precisely, as I've said, de Sitter for a positive cosmological constant, or anti-de Sitter for a negative cosmological constant. There are also combinations of the Schwarzschild solution with both of those: Schwarzschild-de Sitter and Schwarzschild-anti de Sitter. Those are the only solutions I'm aware of with a nonzero cosmological constant and zero stress-energy tensor.
 
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Haha calm down mate only asking, you’re clearly not hearing what I’m saying. Don’t worry about it, I’ll get help from somebody qualified
 
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Max Green said:
you’re clearly not hearing what I’m saying

Well, I've answered every question you asked except for the one about "unique solution", which, as I said, is a term you keep using without explaining what you mean by it. You're welcome to ask further questions if you need to--but you'll have to do so in a new thread, see below.

Max Green said:
I’ll get help from somebody qualified

This, however, just got you this thread closed and a warning. People here respond to your questions out of the goodness of their hearts. Please keep that in mind when responding to them.
 
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