Two expression for relativistic acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relativistic acceleration of a particle as observed from two different inertial frames, S and S', with a focus on deriving and comparing two expressions for this acceleration. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and mathematical derivations related to special relativity.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant derives an expression for the acceleration in frame S' using the chain rule and velocity transformations, concluding with a formula involving the original acceleration and velocity parameters.
  • Another participant suggests using the acceleration four-vector and refers to external resources for a simpler derivation.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the validity of both derived formulas and questions whether they can both be correct.
  • One participant reiterates the derivation of the first formula, emphasizing its correctness as found in introductory texts on special relativity, while contrasting it with Rindler's expression.
  • Discussion includes the clarification that Rindler's formula applies to the instantaneous rest frame of the particle, leading to a specific case where the particle's velocity matches the frame's velocity.
  • Another participant notes that Rindler's result can be seen as a special case of the more general formula derived earlier, particularly when the particle is at rest in frame S'.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and applicability of the two formulas for relativistic acceleration, with some suggesting they may represent different scenarios or assumptions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which formula is more general or correct.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in each derivation, particularly concerning the conditions under which each formula applies, such as the instantaneous rest frame and the relationship between the velocities involved.

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Suppose a particle in frame S moves with acceleration [itex]a_{x}[/itex] and velocity [itex]u_{x}[/itex] at a given instance in the x-direction. I wanted to find the acceleration in a frame S' moving with velocity v in the positive x-direction with respect to frame S. To do this I used the following approach:

[itex]a_{x}=\frac{du_{x}}{dt}[/itex] and [itex]a'_{x}=\frac{du'_{x}}{dt'}[/itex]

Using the chain rule,

[itex]a'_{x} = \frac{du'_{x}}{dt'} = \frac{du'_{x}}{du_{x}} \frac{du_{x}}{dt'} = \frac{du'_{x}}{du_{x}} \frac{du_{x}}{dt} \frac{dt}{dt'} = a_{x} \frac{du'_{x}}{du_{x}} \frac{dt}{dt'}[/itex]

Using the velocity transformation,

[itex]\large \frac{du'_{x}}{du_{x}} = \frac{1- \frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}} }{ 1 - \frac{u_{x} v} {c^{2}} }[/itex]

Similarly from the Lorentz transformations:

[itex]\large \frac{dt}{dt'} = \frac{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}} } {1 - \frac{u_{x} v} {c^{2}}}[/itex]

Thus,

[itex]\large a'_{x} = a_{x} \frac{(1- \frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}})^{3/2}}{(1-\frac{u_{x}v}{c^{2}})^{3}}[/itex]

Now I know this formula is correct, as it listed in Resnick's and French's introductory books on Special relativity. However in W. Rindler's book on the subject, the author shows the relativistic acceleration as:

[itex]\large a'_{x} = \gamma^{3} a_{x}[/itex]

How come there are two formulas for this quantity, one of which does not even refer to the speed of the particle? I have posted my working so that maybe someone can understand and help discriminate between these formulas.
 
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I am aware of four-vectors but not of the acceleration four vector (I have only done a first year basic course on relativity, and the books have not mentioned it till yet either). Both results are right though, aren't they?
 
Pi-Bond said:
Suppose a particle in frame S moves with acceleration [itex]a_{x}[/itex] and velocity [itex]u_{x}[/itex] at a given instance in the x-direction. I wanted to find the acceleration in a frame S' moving with velocity v in the positive x-direction with respect to frame S. To do this I used the following approach:

[itex]a_{x}=\frac{du_{x}}{dt}[/itex] and [itex]a'_{x}=\frac{du'_{x}}{dt'}[/itex]

Using the chain rule,

[itex]a'_{x} = \frac{du'_{x}}{dt'} = \frac{du'_{x}}{du_{x}} \frac{du_{x}}{dt'} = \frac{du'_{x}}{du_{x}} \frac{du_{x}}{dt} \frac{dt}{dt'} = a_{x} \frac{du'_{x}}{du_{x}} \frac{dt}{dt'}[/itex]

Using the velocity transformation,

[itex]\large \frac{du'_{x}}{du_{x}} = \frac{1- \frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}} }{ 1 - \frac{u_{x} v} {c^{2}} }[/itex]

Similarly from the Lorentz transformations:

[itex]\large \frac{dt}{dt'} = \frac{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}} } {1 - \frac{u_{x} v} {c^{2}}}[/itex]

Thus,

[itex]\large a'_{x} = a_{x} \frac{(1- \frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}})^{3/2}}{(1-\frac{u_{x}v}{c^{2}})^{3}}[/itex]

Now I know this formula is correct, as it listed in Resnick's and French's introductory books on Special relativity. However in W. Rindler's book on the subject, the author shows the relativistic acceleration as:

[itex]\large a'_{x} = \gamma^{3} a_{x}[/itex]

How come there are two formulas for this quantity, one of which does not even refer to the speed of the particle? I have posted my working so that maybe someone can understand and help discriminate between these formulas.

Is the particle (instantaneously) at rest in in the primed frame in Rindler's treatment?
 
Rindler says: "Let S' be the the instantaneous rest frame of P at some time t..."
 
What does this say about [itex]u_x[/itex] and [itex]v[/itex]?
 
"..u=v and u'=0 at [itex]t_{0}[/itex] , but u and u' vary while v is constant"

He is using different notation, with [itex]u=u_{x}[/itex] and so on. He formulates his proof by finding [itex]\frac{dt}{dt'}[/itex] and then diffrenciating the velocity transformation with respect to dt'. I don't understand his proof very well, but I have seen the gamma cubed formula at other places.
 
Pi-Bond said:
Suppose a particle in frame S moves with acceleration [itex]a_{x}[/itex] and velocity [itex]u_{x}[/itex] at a given instance in the x-direction. I wanted to find the acceleration in a frame S' moving with velocity v in the positive x-direction with respect to frame S.

Rindler's result is a special case of your more general result.

If S' moves with speed v with respect to S, and if the particle is at rest in S', then the particle moves with speed v in S, i.e., Rindler looks at the special case u_x = v. Use this in
Pi-Bond said:
[itex]\large a'_{x} = a_{x} \frac{(1- \frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}})^{3/2}}{(1-\frac{u_{x}v}{c^{2}})^{3}}[/itex]
 
I see. Thanks for the help again!
 

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