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The discussion revolves around a relativistic collision problem involving two masses, one moving at a significant fraction of the speed of light and the other at rest. The collision results in a photon and another mass, prompting questions about the relationship between the energies and masses involved.

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  • Participants explore the use of momentum conservation and energy conservation principles, with some attempting to apply four-momentum concepts. There are discussions about calculating momentum components and the implications for the mass produced in the collision.

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Several participants have shared their calculations and approaches, with some suggesting the use of conservation of energy as a potential pathway to further understanding. There is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the equations, and some participants are refining their calculations based on previous attempts.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of relativistic equations and the setup of the problem, particularly in relation to the initial conditions and the resulting masses and energies. Participants are also checking assumptions about the initial momentum of the stationary mass.

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Homework Statement


A mass m moving at speed 4c/5 collides with another mass m at rest. The collision produces a photon with energy E traveling perpendicular to the original direction, and a mass M traveling in another direction. In terms of E and m, what is M? What is the largest value of E (in terms of m) for which this setup is possible?

Homework Equations


p=Ymv
E=Ymc^2
(E^2-P^2c^2)_before = (E^2-P^2c^2)_after

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried using momentum only, and I get the calculation of p_x=4/3mc, p_y=-E/c (I used four momenta) so now this doesn't give me much to go on alone since I'm looking for M first. I tried using equation 3 but it becomes so convoluted I'm not sure how that could help me with the answer at all.

Any suggestions?
 
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TristanRE said:
I tried using momentum only, and I get the calculation of p_x=4/3mc, p_y=-E/c (I used four momenta)
OK. These are the x and y components of the momentum of the particle of mass M.

so now this doesn't give me much to go on alone since I'm looking for M first. I tried using equation 3 but it becomes so convoluted I'm not sure how that could help me with the answer at all.
Any suggestions?
Try conservation of energy. For the particle of mass M, use the relativistic expression for energy in terms of mass and momentum. That way, you can use your results for px and py.
 
I'm not sure this is what you meant, but I ended up doing the following.

P1 = incoming mass 4 momentum = (E1),p1,0,0)
P2 = created particle = (E2,p1,-E,0)
P3 = photon = (E,0,E,0)

I then equate: P2=P1 - P3
I squared it and rearranged, and plugged in for E1 = 5/3m, which yielded M = (m2-10/3mE)1/2

Then for the second part it seems easy (assuming I'm right up to this point). I just solved for how large E can be without the the radical being negative: Emax=3m/10

How does this look? I found an example comparable to this in my textbook, thought its not exactly the same, I think this is right.
 
What about the 4-momentum of the particle that was initially at rest?
 
It completely slipped my mind! Thank you.

I redid did it the same way except replacing P1 with PInitial=(8/3m,,p1,0,0)

Thereby obtaining M = (m2-16/3mE)1/2,

and Emax = 3m/16.
 
TristanRE said:
I redid did it the same way except replacing P1 with PInitial=(8/3m,,p1,0,0)
OK.

Thereby obtaining M = (m2-16/3mE)1/2,

and Emax = 3m/16.

I'm getting the 16/3 in a different place: ##M = \sqrt{\frac{16}{3}\left(m^2-mE\right)}##.
 

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