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The problem involves a system of two objects connected by a cord over a pulley, with one object on an incline and the other hanging. The setup is described as frictionless, and the goal is to determine the mass of one object based on its motion over a specified distance and time.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss modeling the system as an Atwood machine, questioning the appropriateness of this approach given the incline. There are attempts to calculate acceleration and mass using kinematic equations and Newton's second law, with some participants expressing confusion about the forces involved and the setup of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made about the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of Newton's laws and the need to derive equations from first principles rather than relying on standard formulas.

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There is uncertainty regarding the mass of the sliding block, as participants mention conflicting values (3 kg or 30 kg), which may affect the calculations and interpretations of the forces at play.

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Homework Statement



The system shown (attached image) is released from rest and moves 50 cm in 1.0 s. What is the value of M? All surfaces are frictionless.

a. 0.42 kg
b. 0.34 kg
c. 0.50 kg
d. 0.59 kg
e. 0.68 kg


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Since the incline is 90 degress, I am trying to model this as an Atwood machine.

I don't understand how there can be any acceleration if the mass that we need to find is smaller than 3kg.

The Attempt at a Solution



moves 50cm in 1s., which means a is 0.5m/s2

So, using the formula
a = (m2 -m1)/(m1 + m2)g

0.5 = (m2 - 3)(3 + m2)9.80

m2 = 3.32

Which is not in the solution
 

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budd99 said:
Since the incline is 90 degress, I am trying to model this as an Atwood machine.
Not a good idea, since an Atwood machine has both ends of the string vertical.

I don't understand how there can be any acceleration if the mass that we need to find is smaller than 3kg.
Why do you think this?


moves 50cm in 1s., which means a is 0.5m/s2
No. Use kinematics to determine the acceleration.

So, using the formula
a = (m2 -m1)/(m1 + m2)g
Instead of using a canned formula (which happens not to apply in this case), derive your own from first principles. Apply Newton's 2nd law to each mass.
 
Ok, I used 0.5 = 0 + 0.5a12 to find a, which gives 1.

So, if F = ma, then the F on the 3kg block is 3(1) which is 3.

On the block suspended in air, the F = mg.

Since we already found F = 3, then 3 = m(9.8), and finally m = .31

This still doesn't make sense, maybe I'm forgetting a T somewhere?
 
budd99 said:
This still doesn't make sense, maybe I'm forgetting a T somewhere?
Exactly. Two forces act on the hanging mass.

(Also, from the diagram I can't read the mass of the sliding block. Is it 3 kg or 30 kg?)
 

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