Two-Particle System Wave Function with Distance-Dependent Potential?

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The discussion revolves around a two-particle quantum system, specifically focusing on finding the energy and wave function in the ground state given a distance-dependent potential V(r) = kr². The original poster expresses a desire to understand the solution process without necessarily needing the problem solved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the separation of variables in the time-independent Schrödinger equation for a two-particle system and the implications of having a free particle in the context of ground states. Questions arise regarding the nature of the ground state for a free particle and the validity of constant versus linear solutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the concept of ground states in relation to free particles and questioning the applicability of certain solutions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of wave functions and the limitations of non-normalizable states, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion surrounding the term "ground state" in the context of free particles and the implications of non-normalizable wave functions. The discussion also touches on the relevance of rigged Hilbert spaces in understanding these concepts.

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Homework Statement


I have a problem in which I have a two-atomic molecule, and I'm supposed to find the energy and wave function in the ground state, given the particles' masses [tex]m_1,m_2[/tex] and the potential [tex]V(r)=kr^2[/tex], where [tex]r[/tex] is the distance between the particles.

I don't necessarily need this problem solved (you can change V to whatever you want). I just want to see what a solution looks like.

Homework Equations


The time-independent schrödinger equation for a two-particle system is
[tex]-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\nabla_1^2\psi-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\nabla_2^2\psi+V\psi=E\psi.[/tex]

If the potential is dependent only on [tex]\mathbf r=\mathbf r_1-\mathbf r_2[/tex], then the above equation can be separated into the variables [tex]\mathbf r[/tex] and [tex]\mathbf R=(m_1\mathbf r_1+m_2\mathbf r_2)/(m_1+m_2)[/tex] so that
[tex]-\frac{\hbar^2}{2(m_1+m_2)}\nabla^2\psi_R=E_R\psi_R[/tex]
[tex]-\frac{\hbar^2}{2\mu}\nabla^2\psi_r+V\psi_r=E_r\psi_r[/tex], [tex]\mu[/tex] is the reduced mass
[tex]E=E_r+E_R[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


My book mentions (Introduction to Quantum Mechanics by Griffiths, in problem 5.1) that if the potential for a two-particle system is dependent only on the separation between the particles, then we can separate the time-independent schrödinger equation into two single-particle equations (see the above section), one that looks like a free particle equation (its potential is 0), and the other with the same potential as the original problem.

The second equation is just an harmonic oscillator, but I don't know what to do with the first. The problem is that a free particle doesn't have a ground state (right?), so I don't know how the whole thing can have one.
 
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The ground state is the one with lowest energy, and the lowest energy a free particle can have is zero, corresponding to [itex]\psi_R=[/itex]const. This isn't normalizable, nor realizable in nature, but neither is any perfect plane wave state. That being said, I've never seen the term ground state applied to anything other than bound systems, so at best it's a little confusing.
 
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the lowest energy a free particle can have is zero, corresponding to [itex]\psi_R=[/itex]const.

Why constant? The differential equation allows linear functions (in which case I wouldn't know how to get the coefficients).
 
That's a good point. The linear solutions are typically rejected. I don't have a fantastic answer as to why, the best I can say is that for a particle in a box, as the box gets larger and larger, the ground state solution approaches a constant function, and since in practice our experiments are always finite, this is the limit we should take.

I believe it also has something to do with something called the rigged Hilbert space, which is an extension of the ordinary wavefunctions to include some that are not quite normalizable, but "close", in a certain sense that makes them still useful for many purposes. Constant functions and plane waves are close in this sense, while linear ones, which blow up at infinity, are not.

Incidentally, it stumped me for a while why this only happens for the case k=0, until I realized that it happens in general, it's just that the linear envelope moves in time, so you need to use the time dependent Schrödinger equation. That is, you can check that the following wavefunction (or something close to it) satisfies the free particle Schrödinger equation:

[tex]\Psi(x,t) = \left (a \left(x-\frac{\hbar k}{m} t\right) + b \right) e^{i (k x- \frac{\hbar k^2}{2m}t)}[/tex]
 

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