Two Particles Connected by Massless Rod: Dynamics Analysis

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The discussion centers on the dynamics of two point-like particles connected by a massless rod after a collision with a third particle. Participants analyze the conservation of momentum and angular momentum to derive the center of mass velocity and angular velocity post-collision. There is confusion regarding the speed of the colliding mass M after the impact, with some participants questioning the assumptions made in the calculations. Clarifications are sought on how to apply linear and angular momentum conservation principles effectively. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately interpreting the collision outcomes to solve the dynamics problem correctly.
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Homework Statement
The particle of mass M collapses with the body of two point-like particles of mass m.
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Two point-like particles of mass m. The particles are rigidly connected to each other with a mass-less rod of length L. The particles are initially at rest in such a way that one particle is at the origin and the other is at the point (0, L). A point-like particle of mass M collides with a particle located at the origin with a speed ๐‘ฃโƒ—0.

a) After the collision, a particle of mass M bounces straight back to its direction of entry. Show that two m-the center of mass of the body formed by the particle must then move so that ๐‘‰๐‘๐‘š = ๐‘€(๐‘ฃ0+๐‘ฃ)/2๐‘š .
b) Determine the orbital angular momentum ๐ฟโƒ—โƒ— ๐‘ก๐‘Ÿ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘  and the rotation rate ๐ฟโƒ—โƒ— ๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘ก of the given
using quantities (relative to the origin) before and after the collision. What can you say about the total angular momentum value?
c) Show that after the collision, the body of two m-particles rotates counterclockwise with angular velocity ๐œ” = ๐‘€(๐‘ฃ0+๐‘ฃ)/๐‘š๐ฟ.
 

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in question a) I don't get where does come from M(v0+v)!
i did the law of conservation of momentum before=after. i got that 2m is equel M, but i think it is wrong!
in b) i assumed before collision that Lrot is 0 and Ltrans= r(M) x p(M). and after collision i was thinking that Ltrans=r'(M) x p(M) + Rcm x p(body)=r'(M) x M*v0 +Rcm x Vcm*2m= Rcm*Vcm*2m - r'(M)*M*v=...=LM(v0+v)/m-r'(M)Mv
Vcm u know from a) and i calculate Rcm=mL/2m
i got c) right w=Vcm/Rcm= answer
 
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Booze said:
in question a) I don't get where does come from M(v0+v)!
i did the law of conservation of momentum before=after. i got that 2m is equel M, but i think it is wrong!
in b) i assumed before collision that Lrot is 0 and Ltrans= r(M) x p(M). and after collision i was thinking that Ltrans=r'(M) x p(M) + Rcm x p(body)=r'(M) x M*v0 +Rcm x Vcm*2m= Rcm*Vcm*2m - r'(M)*M*v=...=LM(v0+v)/m-r'(M)Mv
Vcm u know from a) and i calculate Rcm=mL/2m
i got c) right w=Vcm/Rcm= answer
Please show how you got your result in part (a), specifically how you applied linear momentum conservation. In part (b) you need to consider angular momentum conservation. What is the total angular momentum about the origin before the collision? Hint: ##\mathbf{L}=\mathbf{r}\times\mathbf{p}##. Part (c) will sort itself out after you have obtained correct answers for parts (a) and (b).
 
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Booze said:
I don't get where does come from M(v0+v)!
Neither do I unless you are told that M bounces back with speed v (i.e. a velocity -v). Did you leave that out or is it missing from the original?
 
haruspex said:
Neither do I unless you are told that M bounces back with speed v (i.e. a velocity -v). Did you leave that out or is it missing from the original?
I had the same question about the meaning of v. Then I saw in the figure posted in #1 that M is shown bouncing back with speed v.
 
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