Two pendulums connected with a massless rope

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The problem involves two pendulums of equal mass and length that oscillate in the same horizontal plane, connected by a massless rope. The question seeks to determine the dependence of the amplitude of the pendulums as a function of time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the kinetic and potential energy of the system, considering the Lagrangian approach for small angle approximations. There is an exploration of how the connection via the rope affects the dynamics of the pendulums.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that the system can be treated as having one degree of freedom due to the connection, while others question the implications of the rope's constant length, particularly when the pendulums move in opposite directions. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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There is uncertainty regarding the effects of the rope on the pendulums' motion, particularly in scenarios where they may oscillate in opposite directions. The assumptions about small angle approximations and the nature of the connection are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


Two pendulums of same mass and length that oscillate in same horizontal plane are connected with maseless horizontal rope. What is dependence of amplitude of pendulums as a function of time?

Homework Equations


For harmonic oscilation
x=x_0\sin(\omega t+\varphi_0)
Kinetic energy
E_k=\frac{1}{2}mv^2
Potential energy
E_p=\frac{1}{2}kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution


In case from the problem I suppose that kinetic energy is simple
E_k=E_{k1}+E_{k2}=\frac{m}{2}(\dot{\varphi}_1^2+\dot{\varphi}_2^2)l^2
and potential energy is
E_p=E_{p1}+E_{p2}=mgl(1-\cos\varphi_1)+mgl(1-\cos \varphi_2)
However I am not sure how from this to get amplitude dependence of pendulums as a function of time.
 
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LagrangeEuler said:

Homework Statement


Two pendulums of same mass and length that oscillate in same horizontal plane are connected with maseless horizontal rope. What is dependence of amplitude of pendulums as a function of time?

Homework Equations


For harmonic oscilation
x=x_0\sin(\omega t+\varphi_0)
Kinetic energy
E_k=\frac{1}{2}mv^2
Potential energy
E_p=\frac{1}{2}kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution


In case from the problem I suppose that kinetic energy is simple
E_k=E_{k1}+E_{k2}=\frac{m}{2}(\dot{\varphi}_1^2+\dot{\varphi}_2^2)l^2
and potential energy is
E_p=E_{p1}+E_{p2}=mgl(1-\cos\varphi_1)+mgl(1-\cos \varphi_2)
However I am not sure how from this to get amplitude dependence of pendulums as a function of time.[/B]
The lagrangian is KE=ml21dot22dot2)/2
PE=mgl(θ1222)/2+Constt.for small angle approximation
Solving this for θ1 and θ2 will yield the same equation for a SHM with angular frequency ω2=g/l
And the angular displacement would be θ1~Asin(ωt) and θ2~ Bsin(ωt)
 
Apashanka said:
The lagrangian is KE=ml21dot22dot2)/2
PE=mgl(θ1222)/2+Constt.for small angle approximation
Solving this for θ1 and θ2 will yield the same equation for a SHM with angular frequency ω2=g/l
And the angular displacement would be θ1~Asin(ωt) and θ2~ Bsin(ωt)

If they are connected by a massless rope, then surely the dynamics reduces to a 1 degree of freedom system. ##\theta_1=\theta_2##.
 
It is not that simple I think. Rope has constant length. So what is happening if pendulums go to opposite directions?
 

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