Two problems involving rotational movement

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The discussion focuses on two problems involving rotational movement and the application of torque and energy conservation principles. In the first problem, a disc with a mass of 50 kg and a radius of 20 cm stops after 50 seconds, with a calculated torque of -1.21924 Nm. The second problem involves a 17 kg cylinder with a rope and a 5 kg bob, where the potential energy is calculated as 192.2 J. The participants clarify the correct use of the moment of inertia and the relationship between linear and angular velocities.

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1. First Problem

Homework Statement


A disc with mass of 50kg and radius of 20cm is rotating with a frequency of 480rpm, and after 50 seconds, as a result of the force of friction, it stops. What's the moment (momentum of force, torque) if during the rotation the disc made 200 rotations?

Homework Equations


M=I\epsilon

The Attempt at a Solution


R=0,2m; m=50kg; f=480min^{-1}=8Hz; t=50s; N=200;
w_0=\frac{2\pi}{1/8}=16\pi rad/s
w = 0rad/s
\epsilon=\frac{w-w_o}{t}=\frac{-16\pi}{50}rad/s
I=0.5mR^2=1

M=I\epsilon=-1.21924Nm

Is this correct? I can't see where to number of total rotations (angular distance) fits in, or maybe it's a distractor?

2. Second problem

Homework Statement


А rope is wrapped around a horizontal cylinder with M=17kg; R=0,1m. A bob with m=5kg is attached at the end of the rope, at height of h=4m above ground. The momentum of inertia of the cylinder is calculated with I=\frac{MR^2}{2}.

a) what's the speed of the bob when it hits ground?
b) calculate the total energy of the system.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I've solved b) pretty easily,
E=mgh=192,2J which conforms to the solution in the book (so, the potential energy of the cylinder is ignored).

I've tried solving a) this way
mgh=\frac{mv^2}{2}+\frac{I\omega^2}{2}
If the liner velocity of the cylinder is equal to the speed of the bob at any given time, then we can substitute \omega=\frac{v}{R}
\vdots
Is this approach correct? I don't get the same solution with the one given in the book.
 
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dzogi said:


I've tried solving a) this way
mgh=\frac{mv^2}{2}+\frac{M\omega^2}{2}
If the liner velocity of the cylinder is equal to the speed of the bob at any given time, then we can substitute \omega=\frac{v}{R}
\vdots
Is this approach correct? I don't get the same solution with the one given in the book.


Problem 1 seems fine.

Kinetic energy of the cylinder should be \frac{I\omega^2}{2} and not \frac{M\omega^2}{2}, ain't it?
 
Yes, it was a mistype :)
 

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