Two Similar Limits with Different Results

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of two similar limits involving the expression $$\frac{\sqrt{4x^{2}-1}-x}{x-3}$$ as $$x$$ approaches both positive and negative infinity. Participants explore different methods for solving these limits and discuss the implications of the variable approaching different infinities.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant successfully evaluates the limit as $$x$$ approaches $$+\infty$$ and finds the result to be 1, referencing their solution sheet.
  • The same participant attempts to evaluate the limit as $$x$$ approaches $$-\infty$$ using similar steps but arrives at the same answer of 1, which contradicts the expected result of -3.
  • Another participant provides a detailed solution for both limits, showing that the limit as $$x$$ approaches $$-\infty$$ should indeed yield -3, using a substitution method.
  • A different approach is suggested where the limit is evaluated by dividing the numerator and denominator by $$x$$, leading to the same conclusion of -3 for the limit as $$x$$ approaches $$-\infty$$.
  • One participant questions whether it is always necessary to use substitution to convert limits approaching $$-\infty$$ to those approaching $$+\infty$$, seeking clarification on the method's applicability.
  • A participant introduces a related limit problem concerning the behavior of the expression as $$x$$ approaches 3, noting that it leads to a discontinuity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the evaluation of the limit as $$x$$ approaches $$-\infty$$, as there are differing methods and results presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of substitution in limit evaluation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of limit evaluation techniques and the implications of approaching different infinities. The discussion also touches on the behavior of the expression near a specific point (x = 3), which introduces additional complexity.

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So, I'm still struggling with limits a bit.. Today, I've tried solving two different exercises which look pretty much the same. I could solve the first one relatively easily:

$$\lim_{{x}\to{+\infty}}\frac{\sqrt{4x^{2}-1}-x}{x-3}$$

I applied the usual steps and arrived to the expression:

$$\lim_{{x}\to{+\infty}}\frac{3-\frac{1}{x^2}}{\sqrt{4-\frac{1}{x^2}}+1-3\sqrt{\frac{4}{x}-\frac{1}{x^3}}-\frac{3}{x}}$$

Then, by replacing x with $$+\infty$$, the answer was 1, which was correct according to my solution sheet. The second exercise is the same as above, but $$x$$ tends to $$-\infty$$ instead of $$+\infty$$. I did the same steps I used in the first exercise, and arrived at the same answer. However, the solution for the second exercise is supposed to be -3 , not 1. I'm unsure of when the $$-\infty$$ affects the expression here since it's always in the bottom part of a fraction, and so both $$+\infty$$ and $$-\infty$$ should make the fraction tend to 0. The second exercise:

$$\lim_{{x}\to{-\infty}}\frac{\sqrt{4x^{2}-1}-x}{x-3}$$

Thanks for any help in advanced!
 
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I have moved your thread here to our "Pre-Calculus" forum, as this is where we want threads regarding simple limits to be.

For the first limit, I would write:

$$\lim_{x\to+\infty}\frac{\sqrt{4x^{2}-1}-x}{x-3}=\lim_{x\to+\infty}\left(\frac{\sqrt{4x^{2}-1}-x}{x-3}\cdot\frac{\dfrac{1}{x}}{\dfrac{1}{x}}\right)=\lim_{x\to+\infty}\frac{\sqrt{4-\dfrac{1}{x^2}}-1}{1-\dfrac{3}{x}}=\frac{2-1}{1}=1$$

For the second limit, let's use the substitution:

$$u=-x$$

and the limit becomes:

$$-\lim_{u\to+\infty}\frac{\sqrt{4u^{2}-1}+u}{u+3}=-\lim_{u\to+\infty}\left(\frac{\sqrt{4u^{2}-1}+u}{u+3}\cdot\frac{\dfrac{1}{u}}{\dfrac{1}{u}}\right)=-\lim_{u\to+\infty}\frac{\sqrt{4-\dfrac{1}{u^2}}+1}{1+\dfrac{3}{u}}=-\frac{2+1}{1}=-3$$
 
Thanks for the quick reply! Sorry I created the post in the wrong forum btw, I wasn't sure where limits would go to :S

Also, hm.. Should we always use the substitution method to make the variable tend to $$+\infty$$ instead of $$-\infty$$? Or is there something about that particular limit that makes that the most viable option?
 
Another approach:

Start with

$$\lim_{x\to-\infty}\dfrac{\sqrt{4x^2-1}-x}{x-3}$$

Divide top and bottom by $x$:

$$\lim_{x\to-\infty}\dfrac{\dfrac{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}{x}-1}{1-\dfrac3x}$$

Now, to bring $x$ under the radical in the numerator, we square and take the square root but that is the absolute value of $x$, so we put a minus sign in front of the radical since $x$ tends to $-\infty$:

$$\lim_{x\to-\infty}\dfrac{-\dfrac{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}{\sqrt{x^2}}-1}{1-\dfrac3x}=-3$$
 
Another interesting limit problem specifically for this one is what if x approaches 3?
Negative infinity if $$x\to 3^-$$ and positive infinity if $$x\to 3^+$$. So if $$x\to 3$$ then DNE.
 

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