Types of Bonding in CH3CHO: A Is the Answer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the types of bonding present in CH3CHO (ethanal) in its liquid state, specifically focusing on single covalent bonding, double covalent bonding, and hydrogen bonding. Participants explore the implications of these bonding types in both a single molecule context and in a sample of ethanal, addressing theoretical and conceptual aspects of bonding interactions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the correct answer to the bonding question is A (single and double covalent bonding only) because hydrogen bonding does not occur within a single molecule of ethanal.
  • Others contend that if considering a sample of ethanal, hydrogen bonding could occur between ethanal molecules and water, suggesting that the answer could be D (including hydrogen bonding).
  • A participant points out that hydrogen bonding requires significant dipole moments generated by adjacent heteroatoms with large electronegativity differences, which may not be present in ethanal.
  • Another participant notes that carboxylic acids can form hydrogen bonds due to the presence of both carbonyl and alcohol oxygens, unlike ethanal, which lacks a hydrogen directly bonded to an electronegative atom.
  • Some participants discuss the potential for dipole-dipole interactions between carbonyl groups in ethanal, questioning the nature of these interactions without hydrogen bonding.
  • A later reply mentions that weak non-conventional hydrogen bonds can occur involving C-H and O interactions in ethanal, supported by references to scientific literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the presence of hydrogen bonding in ethanal, with some asserting it is absent in a pure liquid state while others argue it may be present in a sample context. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the nature of bonding in ethanal.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the definitions and assumptions regarding hydrogen bonding, particularly in the context of pure substances versus mixtures. The varying interpretations of the question's scope contribute to the complexity of the discussion.

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[SOLVED] Hydrogen bonding

Which types of bonding are present in CH3CHO(=ethanal) in the liquid state?

I. Single covalent bonding
II. Double covalent bonding
III. Hydrogen bonding

A. I and II only
B. I and III only
C. II and III only
D. I, II and III


The solution is A but I can not understand why it is not D. Namely, why would there be no hydrogen bonding in ethanal? I think there is no intramolecular hydrogen bonding but there should be intermolecular hydrogen bonding. Can someone explain why A is correct and not D, please.
 
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This is a trick question - the hydrogen is not attached to the Oxygen it's attached to the Carbon - hydrogen bonds technically require significant dipole moments that are generated by two adjacent heteroatoms with large electronegativity differences.
 
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This is a trick question - the hydrogen is not attached to the Oxygen it's attached to the Carbon - hydrogen bonds technically require significant dipole moments that are generated by two adjacent heteroatoms with large electronegativity differences.

I accept your point that this is a trick question. Namely, the question asks bonding "in CH3CHO(=ethanal)" i.e. in one molecule. In that sense, A is the right answer.

However, if you suppose that the question ask bonding in a sample of ethanal, then I think the right answer would be D. Firstly, dipole-dipole forces can form between ethanal and water because of the electronegativity difference between O and H in ethanal. Although ethanal-ethanal-bond is probably weak due to your argument of "adjacent heteroatoms", there is still water to which ethanal can form a hydrogen-bond. Secondly, even molecules such as ketones and carboxylic acids can form hydrogen bond to water so why not ethanal? Hence, I argue that the right answer is D if one reason the question to concern molecules of ethanal in water.
 
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The question is in regards to a pure liquid sample of ethanal if it were an aqueous solution it would have mentioned it either as aqueous or as a solution -it seems that this question can be technical also - I would be quite bitter with my professor having asked this question nevertheless it makes sure that you have a good understanding of just what hydrogen bonding is.
 
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Why would ethanal not bond to other ethanal in hydrogen bond if carboxylic acid can bond between themselves? Is the reason similar as with ketones that there is not sufficient dipole-dipole moment.
 
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You should read up on the definition of hydrogen bonding. In Carboxylic Acids there is both an Carbonyl Oxygen as well as an alcohol Oxygen which has its Hydrogen bonded directly to the Oxygen-this is not the case with pure Ketones as well as pure Aldehydes. Usually there is intermolecular Hydrogen bonding between species which have Hydrogen bonded directly to an Oxygen or Nitrogen-not quite sure about Fluorines though.
 
Thanks!
 
Sure glad to help.
 
woa! that's amazing question really..definitely i would be tricked in a question like this, but what about the dipole-dipole interaction between the two carbonyle groups? not considering hydrogen here..just the normalelectric interaction between the two carbonyls.
 
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There should be some dipole attractions between the two carbonyl groups the carbon of this group has a partial positive charge and the oxygen has a partial negative charge so there's a dipole moment from the carbon to the oxygen.
 
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Your are not wrong regarding the hydrogen bonding in ethanol
Ethanol have C-H group acting as a probable hydrogen bond donor and carbonyl O acting as hydrogen bond acceptor. Certainly due to low polarity of C-H bond. A hydrogen bond involving C-H..O intermolecular interaction will be certainly weak. But such type of hydrogen bond are well known and falls under the category of weak non conventional hydrogen bonds(with hydrogen bond energy of around 3-5kcal/mol). Also presence of C=O group next to the CH3 group activates the C-H bond for such interaction by inductive effect. And such an interaction is observed in the high resolution neutron powder x-ray crystallography of ethanal.

Reference
Journal of Molecular Structure 520 (2000) 265–272
R.M. Ibbersona,*, O. Yamamurob, T. Matsuob
 

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