Types of Hydrogen Atom: 4 Variants Explained

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The discussion revolves around the classification of hydrogen atoms in a specific compound, exploring the existence of four types of hydrogen atoms as mentioned in the initial post. Participants seek clarification on the types and equivalence of hydrogen atoms, as well as the structural representation of the molecule.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the identification of a fourth type of hydrogen atom, noting only three types: primary, secondary, and tertiary.
  • Another participant mentions the presence of three methyl groups in the molecule and asks whether they are all equivalent.
  • A later reply suggests using model kits to visualize the molecule and understand the equivalence of hydrogen atoms, emphasizing that some hydrogen atoms are not chemically identical due to their bonding context.
  • There is a correction regarding the structural representation of the molecule, indicating that the second carbon should be a CH2 carbon and that the third carbon is incorrectly depicted with five bonds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the identification of the fourth type of hydrogen and the equivalence of the hydrogen atoms in the methyl groups. Multiple competing views remain about the structural representation and the nature of the hydrogen atoms.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of molecular structure and the need for visual models to clarify the equivalence of hydrogen atoms. The discussion does not resolve the question of the fourth type of hydrogen atom.

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Just look at the first point.It says the given compound has four types of hydrogen atom.How?I can only see three types of hydrogen atom primary,secondary and tertiary which is the fourth type?Please give me a hint.
 
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gracy said:
Just look at the first point.
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There are three methyl groups in the molecule. Are all of them equivalent?
 
gracy said:
Sorry I forgot to provide the page
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It helps to make these molecules with model kits. With your model of the molecule (or with one in your head), put dots of paint on two of the hydrogen atoms. If you can do some non-bond-breaking kind of motion to the molecule to take one form into the other [i.e. they are identical, superimposable images (or mirror images) of each other] then the two forms tha tyou made are identical, and the two hydrogen atoms are chemically/physically identical.

With your specific question in mind, are all of the primary hydrogen atoms identical? If you put a dot of paint on one of the the left-most hydrogen atoms and a dot of paint on one of the bottom-most methyl group's hydrogen atoms, are these the same? They are not. You can do nothing that would convert the one kind of hydrogen atom into the other. One way to think about this is that the left-most methyl group is bonded to a secondary (methylene) carbon. While the bottom methyl group (and the right-most methyl group) are bonded to a carbon with a single hydrogen atom.

It may be hard to see, unless you can build a model, but the bottom methyl group and the right-most methyl group are chemically equvalent, but you may need to use a mirror to convert one form into the other.

Also note that the actual molecule shown in the picture is messed up. The second carbon should be a CH2 carbon, and the third carbon should have a single hydrogen. As drawn, the third carbon has five bonds, which is a no-no.
 

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