Tyres of a car lifting when turning left sharply....

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a car's behavior during a sharp left turn, specifically why the left wheels lift while the car lurches to the right. The subject area includes concepts of torque, centrifugal force, and the dynamics of motion in a turning vehicle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the situation using the concept of pseudo forces and angular velocity, questioning if the difference in forces on the wheels contributes to the car's lurching. Other participants introduce torque as a significant factor and discuss the roles of various forces acting on the car during the turn.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces at play. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of considering torque alongside centrifugal force, indicating a productive direction for understanding the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's educational context, including a reference to not having covered torque in their coursework yet, which may influence their approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Why do the left wheels of a car rise when it takes a sharp left turn (that is it lurches towards the right)?

Homework Equations


$$a_c= V^2/R$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I started by imagining the car as being a part of a very large ring, dx.
Since it's taking a left turn, velocity of right wheels are greater than that of left wheels, but being a ring, their angular velocity is the same.
After some calculations, I find that pseudo force on right wheels is greater than that on the left wheels.
Is that why it lurches towards the right?
 
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No. It is a matter of torque in the car frame.
 
How so?
 
Consider the torque around the outer wheel. There are three forces contributing, gravity, the centrifugal force, and the normal force from the inner wheel.
 
Can't we use basic centrifugal force for this? My professor told me to think along these lines (we haven't done torque yet) and I just believe that I over complicated my explanation a bit, and that a centrifugal force is pushing the car outside.
 
Kavya Chopra said:
velocity of right wheels are greater than that of left wheels, but being a ring, their angular velocity is the same.
They have the same radius. If the linear velocity is greater the angular velocity must be too. But this is not relevant to the question.
Kavya Chopra said:
pseudo force on right wheels is greater than that on the left wheels.
That is not relevant either. It would just create some lateral tension within the vehicle.
Kavya Chopra said:
Can't we use basic centrifugal force for this?
Yes, but in conjunction with considering torque. As Orodruin posted, that is crucial.
 
Consider the height at which inertia acts (aka centrifugal force) and the height at which friction (which provides centripetal force) acts. The difference creates a torque. Make a drawing.

PS These aren't the only forces acting on the car (eg gravity).
 

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