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U.S. Newborn Survival Rate Ranks Low

  1. May 9, 2006 #1

    Astronuc

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    U.S. Infant Mortality

    By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer
    Tue May 9, 4:19 AM ET
    Note the infant mortalities Afghanistan and Iraq. :frown: :grumpy: :mad:

    It's just a coincidence Bush is president, and the US has invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. :rolleyes:
     
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  3. May 9, 2006 #2

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    I doubt it was any lower in Afghanistan before 2003 (I wouldn't attribute their current position to the war there), but I do think it would have been a lot lower in Iraq.

    Edit : Even Iraq is not worse off now than before the war started. It is worse now than 1990, but it looks to me like it was the UN sanctions that were responsible for the high mortality rates since.
     
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  4. May 9, 2006 #3

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    A baby that is born with a terminal disease and dies is counted in this right? Not just a baby that is born healthy and dies soon after?
     
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    Would there be any reason that the U.S. might have more babies with terminal diseases?

    I hadn't thought of that, but that could be part of the answer. Though in a country as large as the U.S., and decidedly not as socialist as most industrialized nations, it also makes sense that there is greater inequality in the U.S. and less free medical services for the poor, so they would naturally have a higher infant mortality rate than the poor in Europe, whom have far more services provided to them.
     
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    I wonder if they take into account babies that are aborted because the doctors predict they will be sick when they're born. Obviously this would be a reason US newborn death rates might be higher and you would hope something like this is taken into account if possible.
     
  7. May 10, 2006 #6

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    I do remember this stat being debunked a long while back last time it was brought up in this forum because of the way the stats were being counted. US infant mortality rates were calculated including infants that were delivered early that would otherwise have died in utero, only to die shortly afterward, whereas many other countries don't even deliver those children to begin with, and so they weren't counted in their infant mortality rates.

    Beats me what happened to that thread, though.
     
  8. May 10, 2006 #7

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    Why is the AP reporting it then?
     
  9. May 10, 2006 #8

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    Well, it does mention the very high rates of premature babies being born, especially in the African-American population. Part of the reason for that may be better prenatal care in other countries, which would gel with that debunking but still be a problem.

    Then again, remember about eight months back or so when someone posted a report about an ex-marine claiming to have witnessed war crimes committed by US troops that was selling his story? I did a three minute google search to find three lies he told that conflicted with earlier incidents of him being in the newspapers. The reporter or fact checker couldn't have used google? Honestly, I don't have high expectations for the integrity of the average reporter.
     
  10. May 10, 2006 #9

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    I remember that too. When the stats get so sparse, how they are collected makes a big difference. Plus, when the general stats are that low and that grouped together, what does it really mean to be last? Not a whole lot.

    That said, there is always room for improvement - particularly with the stats for minorities.
    Because it sounds like it might be news?
     
  11. May 10, 2006 #10

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    Side-note, but I don't consider that a matter of integrity. There certainly are dishonest reporters out there, but most are simply too lazy to check on what they are reporting. What matters above all else is the emotional impact of the story on the reader/watcher.
     
  12. May 10, 2006 #11

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    Ok, the previous topic was probably about US vs Cuba, because that is a common stat thrown around by people who like to say Cuba is a nicer place to live than the US. There are a number of articles explaining the difference:

    http://www.skepticism.net/articles/2002/000022.html
    We already knew that, but why, exactly...?
    I think that must be worded incorrectly, because if 40% of infants died on their first day, that'd be a 400 per 1000 rate. They probably mean 30-40% who die their first year die the first day.
     
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  13. May 10, 2006 #12

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  14. May 12, 2006 #13
    What does Iraq and Afghanstain have to do with this?
    Last time I checked the Milltary limit was 17 years old. I don't think we sent any infantry froces...wait never mind(Why is infantry and infant spelt similer:confused: )
     
  15. May 12, 2006 #14

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    Yah I don't know! Why does everything have to get compared to Afghanistan and Iraq these days?

    "And today we're comparing the # of BBQ's sold throughout the world. In Comparison to the #1 spot of the United States, Canada, France, and Germany scored relatively high at #2, #4, and #5 respectively. Iraq and Afghanistan came in at #28 and #80 respectively".
     
  16. May 13, 2006 #15

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    Astronuc brought it up. It is reasonable to expect that during a time of war (and/or the turmoil afterwards), healthcare will suffer.
     
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