Is Anyone Truly in Control Amidst the Ukrainian Crisis?

[Czcibor]

Belgium court baliffs are freezing Russian gov property... for old Putins sins concerning Yukos.
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-yukos-lawsuit-belgium-seizes-assets/27078433.html

 

[Czcibor]

"United Nations: The Netherlands, Malaysia and three other countries want a UN tribunal to be set up to try those responsible for the downing of the Malaysia Airlines flight over Ukraine last year, a senior diplomat said Wednesday.

Malaysia is expected to present a draft resolution to the Security Council next month on setting up the tribunal, said the diplomat, who asked not to be named."
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...or-un-tribunal-for-mh17-culprits_1619485.html

Sure, Russian can veto it... Just such veto would look even more like admission of guilt.

 

[Vanadium 50]

Looks like now that Crimea is a done deal, it's time to think about Lithuania: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33325842

 

[Dotini]

"United Nations: The Netherlands, Malaysia and three other countries want a UN tribunal to be set up to try those responsible for the downing of the Malaysia Airlines flight over Ukraine last year, a senior diplomat said Wednesday.

Malaysia is expected to present a draft resolution to the Security Council next month on setting up the tribunal, said the diplomat, who asked not to be named."
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...or-un-tribunal-for-mh17-culprits_1619485.html

Sure, Russian can veto it... Just such veto would look even more like admission of guilt.

Nevermind the investigation. The truth is what we say it is. Might makes right. Our means are justified by our ends.

 

[Czcibor]

Nevermind the investigation. The truth is what we say it is. Might makes right. Our means are justified by our ends.

No, that's outdated SU strategy. Nowadays its more a technique of making an information noise to deny existence of any truth and replace it with clatter of opinions:
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rdian-view-russian-propaganda-truth-out-there

 

[Czcibor]

Sweden found a tiny Russian submarine. Officially Swedes are worried: "The submarine is completely intact, has no visible damage to the hull and the hatches are closed. Therefore we do fear that the crew has not been able to save themselves when the sub went down".

 

[Czcibor]

Seems that this submarine is from WW1:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33684715

 

[Czcibor]

Russia on Wednesday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution that would set up an international criminal court to prosecute those responsible for shooting down a Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine a year ago.

[...]

Three countries abstained from the vote: China, Angola and Venezuela, whose ambassador said victims' suffering shouldn't be used politically.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/russian-veto-expected-security-council-votes-mh17-32748771As I've seen on one Polish forum:
Since when a criminal decides whether to be judged or not?
Since he has nukes

 

[Czcibor]

Germany decided to back stab Ukrainians by signing a gas deal that would make their country irrelevant as gas transit route by building an extra gas line on Baltic bottom.

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-slovakia-nord-stream-pipeline/27237467.html

 

[Hornbein]

5.1) Did Germans surrendered in WW2 on 8th May or 9th May?

The West said the surrender was one minute before midnight, USSR said one minute after.

 

[Czcibor]

The West said the surrender was one minute before midnight, USSR said one minute after.

More complicated. Because Russians intended to use caught Germans as slaves, Germans tried to surrender to West, while military delay Soviet advances. The result was that first surrender to the West was signed on the 7th, while effective on 8th. Soviets demand for PR reasons also a surrender to them, thus they insisted on 9th.

Of course, when now history is being weaponized such minor date difference matters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender

 

[Czcibor]

There was already year ago a poll showing that first time in history (or from at least many years) there is a slight majority in Sweden for joining NATO:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/us-sweden-nato-idUSKBN0II1XN20141029

Recent polls show that it was not a fluke:
http://www.thelocal.se/20150914/poll-more-swedes-now-for-nato-than-against

So far split society. It would be a quite good job of Putin if he manage annoy Swedes enough to make them officially drop their sacred, semi-neutrality.

 

[mheslep]

Annoyance? You think that is the best description of Swedish sentiment regards Putin's Russia?

 

[Czcibor]

Estonian border guard, who was kidnapped from Estonia by Russian special forces and was sentenced for 15 years, was exchanged for a Russian spy:

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-estonia-eston-kohver-swapped/27272168.html

Hmm... Russians are in quite good position here, because they can kidnap whoever they want and later exchange him on their real spies.

 

[chingel]

A small correction, the guy who was kidnapped is the local equivalent (it's a small country) of an FBI/CIA officer, not a border guard.

Yes, its quite an application of force by Russia towards a NATO country. If your guy gets caught doing illegal spying, you kidnap their guy from their country (by literally crossing the border and kidnapping someone) and then do an exchange.