Unable to find generators of {G, Xn}

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The discussion revolves around identifying the generators of the group {G, Xn}, where G consists of the n - 1 residue classes modulo n excluding 0, specifically for n = 7. Participants are examining the powers of certain elements and their results under modulo 7.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate powers of elements in the group and are questioning the correctness of their results. There is a focus on understanding the operation of multiplication and reduction modulo 7, as well as the implications of the order of elements in the group.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing corrections and clarifications regarding the calculations of powers. Some participants express confusion about the results and the nature of the operations involved, while others offer insights into the properties of the group and the significance of the Cayley table.

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There are indications of misunderstandings regarding the calculations of powers and the nature of modular arithmetic. Participants are also exploring the implications of the order of elements in the context of group theory.

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Homework Statement


Consider the group {G, Xn} where
G is the set containing the n - 1 residue
classes modulo n excluding 0.

Which members are generators of {G, Xn} when
n = 7?

The Attempt at a Solution



The right answers are 3 and 5.

I get 2 only.

My table of results

[tex]1: 1^1 = 1[/tex]
[tex]2: 2^1 = 2, 2^2 = 4, 2^3 = 4, 2^4 = 2[/tex]
[tex]3: 3^1 =3, 3^2 = 2, 3^3 = 4[/tex]
[tex]4: 4^1 =4, 4^2 = 2[/tex]
[tex]5: 5^1 = 5, 5^2 =4[/tex]
[tex]6: 6^1 = 6, 6^2 = 1[/tex]
[tex]7: 7^1 = 7, 7^2 = 7[/tex]
 
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[tex]2^3\neq4[/tex]

[tex]3^3\neq4[/tex]

Find [tex]3^4, 3^5,\dots[/tex] and [tex]5^3,5^4, 5^5,\dots[/tex]

(And 7=0.)
 
Billy Bob said:
[tex]2^3\neq4[/tex]

[tex]3^3\neq4[/tex]

I do not mean with 3^3 3 to the power of 3 only.
I mean with it 3^3 3 to the power of 3 modulo 7.
 
Billy Bob said:
[tex] Find [tex]3^4, 3^5,\dots[/tex] and [tex]5^3,5^4, 5^5,\dots[/tex]<br /> <br /> (And 7=0.)[/tex]
[tex] <br /> I cannot find [tex]3^4[/tex].<br /> There is no such number which is 3 times 3 times 3 times 3.<br /> The only way to get that is when n = 9, that is for 9 times 9.[/tex]
 
You do understand the operation is multiplication and reduction modulo 7. It doesn't make sense to say that 'there is no such number in the set that is 3^4 mod 7'. There is. 3^2 is 2 mod 7. 3^3 is 6 mod 7, and 3^4 is 4 mod 7.
 
matt grime said:
You do understand the operation is multiplication and reduction modulo 7. It doesn't make sense to say that 'there is no such number in the set that is 3^4 mod 7'. There is. 3^2 is 2 mod 7. 3^3 is 6 mod 7, and 3^4 is 4 mod 7.

I think I got it.

The order of a group is the number of order of elements.
For example, in this case,

2^1 = 1, 2^2 = 4, 2^3 = 1
However, the group already has the order 1 so we stop.

I get that 3 and 5 have 7 different results from modulo 7.
This means that the Cayley table is really useful here too, since I can use it repeatedly in the calculations.

Thank you for your answers!
 

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