Unbalanced Phase Currents in 3~ Motor

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The discussion revolves around the issue of unbalanced phase currents in a 3-phase induction motor, focusing on potential causes for the observed unequal currents, where one phase is normal and the other two are significantly higher. The scope includes technical explanations, troubleshooting approaches, and hypotheses regarding electrical configurations and motor conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
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  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that prolonged running could increase the resistance of the stator winding, but questions this explanation as increased resistance should decrease current.
  • Another participant raises the possibility of a winding being connected backwards or two shorted windings, emphasizing the need for resistance measurements across windings.
  • A different participant speculates that the motor may have burnt up, implying that the previous issues could lead to failure.
  • One participant mentions that the overload relay tripping indicates higher currents in two phases, proposing that prolonged running might have weakened insulation, leading to shorted windings.
  • Another contributor expresses a belief that mis-wiring could be the cause, aligning with previous suggestions.
  • A participant shares an experience with motor wiring and highlights the potential for incorrect voltage connections affecting current draw, mentioning the concept of "wild legs" in electrical services.
  • One participant notes that in delta configuration, a misplaced tap link or a shorted turn in one winding could result in higher currents in the two phases driving that winding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the cause of the unbalanced currents, with no consensus reached. Multiple competing views remain, including mis-wiring, shorted windings, and issues related to insulation degradation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of measuring winding resistance and the potential impact of installation practices, but no specific measurements or definitive conclusions are provided. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the exact cause of the issue.

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A 3-phase induction motor in our factory had unequal phase currents. One of the currents was nearly normal while the other two were about twice the usual value. Somebody said that prolonged running causes increase in resistance of stator winding, and this results in increased current. But this explanation appears wrong at the very outset, because increased resistance should actually decrease the current.

What might the reason be?
 
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Was this taken out of service and re-installed at any time?
Was it running ok and then a problem developed?
My first thought was that a winding was connected backwards, but that would only happen if the connections were removed and no markings existed on them.
The explanation you got should affect all 3 currents, not just 2.
You could also have 2 shorted windings, only a very sensitive meter will tell you that, or a very complex troubleshooting routine. Do all your windings have the same resistance (within 5-10%)?
Are any shorted to ground (motor housing)?
 
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A 3-phase induction motor in our factory had unequal phase currents. One of the currents was nearly normal while the other two were about twice the usual value.

I'm guessing from your use of past tense that it burnt up ?

If so, wirennut is probably right.
 
Our electrical workshop received a complaint that the motor's overload relay was tripping (motor didn't burn up though). Upon inspection, the electrician discovered that two of the phases had higher currents. I'm assuming that currents were normal when the motor was installed because electricians are required to measure them after installation. I didn't get the chance to make any measurements myself, but I was just wondering what the cause might be. I guess measuring the stator winding resistance should have given me the clue.

So a possible conclusion is that prolonged running actually decreased the resistance by weakening the insulation and thus shorting the windings. Increase in winding resistance can never increase the current. Does this look like a valid explanation?
 
My personal feeling is that it was mis-wired, as wirenut suggested.

Of course only the electricians who investigated know for sure.
 
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Many 3~ motors have multiple taps and you can actually change the operating voltage (and consequently the current) by connecting the appropriate leads together. I was giving a print with a tap diagram once and was asked to wire a motor for a certain voltage. They gave me the wrong print. Luckily I'm mechanically savvy and I know what a motor should sound like. I ran it for a second and realized that it was wrong. A little research later and I found the right print.

Does your building have one or more wild legs? Some services purposely have a higher voltage in one or more legs. It's a terrible idea but they do it for flourescent lighting. When you use the higher leg for flourescent lights they draw less current and then you can have more lights on one breaker circuit. If your building is fairly new you probably won't see this.
 
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When running in delta configuration, misplaced tap link or a shorted turn in one winding will cause a higher current in the two phases that drive that winding.
 
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