Uncertainty Calculations for Electrical Measurements

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The discussion revolves around the calculations of uncertainty in electrical measurements, particularly focusing on how to handle uncertainties when performing division and multiplication of measured values. Participants explore various methods and rules for calculating uncertainties in experimental contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to calculate uncertainty when dividing measured values, specifically referencing a resistance calculation from voltage and current measurements.
  • Another participant explains that division can lead to asymmetric effects on uncertainty and discusses two approaches to understanding uncertainty calculations: statistical expressions and interval calculations.
  • A different participant introduces a method for estimating the uncertainty contribution of one variable to a function of multiple variables using derivatives, noting that this method has limitations when uncertainties are large or correlated.
  • One participant mentions a basic rule they learned about summing relative uncertainties for products and quotients, indicating a more straightforward approach to uncertainty calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for calculating uncertainties in division and multiplication, as various approaches and interpretations are presented, leading to some disagreement and uncertainty about the correct application of these methods.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted regarding the assumptions made in uncertainty calculations, such as the impact of large relative uncertainties and the need for more complex methods when dealing with correlated uncertainties.

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I know the rules to experimental uncertainties with addition and subtraction, but what about division?

For instance here
The light bulb was measured to have 1.27 ±.05V by the DMM in parallel. Using the DMM in series, its current drawn was .202 ±1A. As a result its resistance was approximately 6.28±.05V/A.

I'm not totally sure if I've done it right...

Is there any large reference book for all of these rules for future insight?
 
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Division will have an asymmetric effect on uncertainty. You can understand the uncertainty calculations in one of two ways, either as a statistical expression (this is the mean plus or minus some multiple of the standard deviation) or as an interval calculation (the value is in the interval centered at this number plus or minus the interval radius).

In the latter case dividing by an uncertain quantity can yield infinite uncertainty: If b = 0.2 +/- 0.3, and a= 3 then a/b is somewhere below -30 or above +6 since both the positive and negative sides of zero are possible in the denominator you can get numbers ranging to + or - infinity.

But as long as 0 is not in the interval you can apply the arithmetic in a relatively straight forward way. To divide by an interval figure out the minimum and maximum quotient values by respectively dividing by the max and min (note the reversal) values for the denominator. Then re-express in terms of a center plus or minus a radius. There may be discipline specific conventions but that is the general method so far as I know. The subject name is interval arithmetic searching that should give you all sorts of references.
 
As long as the relative uncertainty is not too large, you can always estimate the uncertainty contribution of x to f(x,y,z,...) as
$$\Delta_x f(x,y,z,...) = \Delta x |\frac{df(x,y,z,...)}{dx}(x)|$$
where ##\Delta x## is the uncertainty on x, df/dx is the derivative with respect to x (evaluated at your central value for x), and ##\Delta_x f## is the uncertainty on f coming from the uncertainty on x. Multiple independent uncertain input parameters can be evaluated individually and added in quadrature.

This fails if the uncertainty is too large, or if you have correlated uncertainties in the inputs, then you'll need more complex methods.
 
Thanks guys
 
All I was taught is that in uncertainty calculations the relative uncertainties are summed up for quotients and products. So it would be RUncertainty voltage + Runcertainty of current.
 

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