Uncertainty of Average Acceleration

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the uncertainty of average acceleration for an object in free fall, specifically focusing on the algebraic expression for the uncertainty σ_{a,avg}. Participants are exploring how to express this uncertainty based on given data and definitions related to standard deviation and variance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definitions of standard deviation and variance, questioning how to apply these concepts to the problem at hand. There is an exploration of how to calculate uncertainties from a data set rather than from other variables. Some participants suggest using familiar formulas for standard deviation and variance, while others express confusion about the lack of reference to these concepts in their textbook.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of standard deviation formulas, and there is recognition of the need to clarify the application of these concepts to the specific context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the textbook does not provide explicit references to the formulas being discussed, leading to some uncertainty about their application. There is also mention of previous assignments that dealt with uncertainties from other variables, which may have contributed to the confusion.

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Homework Statement



You have determined the acceleration a_{i} of an object in free fall for i = 1 to n different time intervals. What is the algebraic expression for the uncertainty σ_{a,avg} in a_{avg}? (Use any variable or symbol stated above as necessary.)

The answer box is formatted as such: σ_{a,avg} = \sqrt{\sum^{i=1}_{n}}

and I have to fill in the space after the summation under the square root.

No variables or symbols were specifically given for the problem outside of the ones in the question, but I had written the formula for average acceleration previously (in the relevant equations section) that may have variables I can use.

Homework Equations



a_{avg} = \frac{v_{23} - v_{12}}{t_{23} - t_{12}}

The Attempt at a Solution



I honestly have no clue where to begin. I don't really have much knowledge of uncertainty calculations and so I am pretty lost here. I tried one method first that I realized is incorrect.

Any help would be extremely appreciated.
 
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Do you know the definition of the standard deviation \sigma or the variance \sigma^2? It seems unusual to be asked such a question without at least some reference to the definition in the text.
 
Yeah, I know the definitions. They are given to me. I can usually apply the formulas, but I am not sure how to do it for this question.

After some thinking, I believe I could write the formula a = Δv/Δt, since I can calculate σ_{Δv} and σ_{Δt} using basic addition. So σ_{Δv} = σ_{v_{12}} + σ_{v_{23}} and σ_{Δt} = σ_{t_{12}} + σ_{t_{23}}. So I can then apply it to the multiplication formula to find the uncertainty for a. Using the formula given in the text, I would think the uncertainty for the basic formula I gave in my original post would be

σ_{a_{avg}} = a_{avg}\sqrt{(\frac{σ_{Δv}}{Δv})^{2} + (\frac{-σ_{Δt}}{Δt})^{2}}

I don't know whether this is correct or not. And if it is, I am stuck trying to figure out how to use the summation that is given in the answer area.

For ease of reference, here is the answer area:

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Yeah, you're kind of going off into space here. This problem isn't about dealing with uncertainties from other variables, just from the data set that you have.

Something like this formula should look familiar:

\sigma_x^2 = \sum_i (x_i - \bar x)^2/N
 
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It's been about 2.5 years since I did real standard deviation or variance calculations. The two formulas given in the text are both about uncertainties from other variables. One is for addition of uncertainties and one is for products of uncertainties. And in previous assignments, all the calculations we did dealt with these formulas. This is what is throwing me off because the book doesn't include anything regarding the answer formula. And as such, I do not fully understand your formula. I believe it looks familiar from my previous math experience though.

So I am guessing x_{i} would be a_{i} and /bar{x} would be a_{avg}?
 
Yes. You might also see \sigma^2_x = \langle x^2 \rangle - \langle x \rangle^2. Also note that I neglected a factor of N which is necessary to to get it right.
 
Muphrid said:
\sigma_x^2 = \sum_i (x_i - \bar x)^2/N

Alright, this is the answer after all. Even though there is not a single reference to this in the book! Thanks very much for your help!
 

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