Uncertainty principle if position is restricted

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the uncertainty principle when considering particles confined within boxes of finite length and infinite potential walls. Participants explore the relationship between position uncertainty and momentum eigenstates in this constrained system.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant posits that preparing a large number of identical particles in the same momentum eigenstate leads to an infinite position uncertainty, as per the uncertainty principle.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that momentum eigenstates do not exist in the described scenario, suggesting a mismatch with the appropriate Hilbert space.
  • A participant questions whether it is possible to select states with sufficiently small momentum uncertainty, indicating uncertainty about the feasibility of this approach.
  • Further clarification is provided that the initial assumption of preparing all particles in the same momentum eigenstate is not valid under the given conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the existence of momentum eigenstates in the described system, with some questioning the validity of the initial assumptions while others explore alternative state selections.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the definitions of momentum eigenstates and the constraints imposed by the finite length of the boxes, which may affect the application of the uncertainty principle.

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Hi.

Assume we have a large number of identical boxes of some finite length ##l## and with infinite potential walls. Let's prepare them all in the same momentum eigenstate. Since for eigenstates ##\Delta p=0##, by the uncertainty principle ##\Delta x## should go to infinity. However, since the particles can't leave the boxes, ##l## is an upper limit for ##\Delta x##. How is this possible?
 
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There are no momentum eigenstates of the situation you are describing. They simply do not belong to the appropriate Hilbert space.
 
Ok, but can we choose states such that ##\Delta p## is small enough (I guess not, that's probably why this doesn't work)?
 
greypilgrim said:
Let's prepare them all in the same momentum eigenstate.
You cannot do that (if other conditions you mentioned are fulfilled).
 
greypilgrim said:
Ok, but can we choose states such that ##\Delta p## is small enough (I guess not, that's probably why this doesn't work)?
Exactly!
 

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