Uncountable Homology Classes in Hawaiian Earrings?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the first homology group of Hawaiian Earrings, particularly the claim that it is uncountable. Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate the uncountability of homology classes and the complexity of the fundamental group.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a construction of the Hawaiian Earrings as a quotient space and suggests that the set of continuous maps from [0,1] to X is uncountable, but struggles to show that these maps are in different homology classes.
  • Another participant points out a flaw in the initial setup, indicating that many maps would be homologous and hints at a different approach in a later post.
  • A participant asserts that the first homology group is the abelianization of the fundamental group, suggesting that the fundamental group is a free product of Z uncountably many times, which implies an uncountable H1.
  • One participant challenges the simplicity of the fundamental group, referencing literature that describes H1 as a more complex structure involving various terms, and proposes using the power set of natural numbers to find an uncountable subset of H1.
  • Another participant agrees that the group has an uncountable abelianization and acknowledges the complexity of finding an explicit uncountable subset of Q^R.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the fundamental group and the methods to demonstrate the uncountability of homology classes. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial approach or the proposed alternatives, indicating ongoing debate.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their approaches, including potential flaws in the initial setup and the complexity of the fundamental group. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and unresolved mathematical steps.

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I would like to verify that H1(Hawaiian Earrings) is uncountable. Let's call the Hawaiian Earrings X and build it as a quotient space of [0,1] by the set {0,1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, ...}. The map f:[0,1] \rightarrow X with f(x)=[1-x] is a continuous map from \Delta^1 into X. Explicitly, it hits every ring exactly once in the order of the radii of the rings. Similarly, every ordering (n_i) of the positive integers corresponds to a continuous map if the ith ring that the map traverses is the one of length 1/n_i - 1/(n_1+1), with 1 being mapped to 0.

It is easy to verify that this set of maps is uncountable. Now of course I have to verify that (ideally) none of the maps are homologous, and this is where I am stuck. It is straight forward to show that these maps are not pairwise homotopic, but I have no idea how to show that they are in different homology classes. Any hints or ideas?
 
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Edit: I realized that there is some fundamental flaw in the setup above (many if not most of the maps would be homologous), but I have a different approach in post #4.
 
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Isn't the first homology group the abelianisation of the fundamental group? If so, you've demonstrated that the fundamental group is the free product of Z with itself uncountably many times, hence H_1 is the direct product of Z with itself uncountably many times.
 
Thanks, but I am afraid it's not quite as easy as that because the fundamental group is a lot more complicated than a free group on countably many generators. According to literature, H_1 is \mathbb{Z}^{|\mathbb{N}|} \times \mathbb{Q}^{\mathbb{|R|}} \times (\text{some term I forgot})

I am just trying to find an uncountable subset of H_1.

Different approach: Use the same setup as in post #1, but replace the orderings of the natural numbers by the power set of the natural numbers. That's definitely uncountable, and unless I am missing some fundamental point, every map should be in a different homology class because it includes or excludes circles from a previous map.
 
Well, that (horrible) group has still got an uncountable abelianization: Q^R is uncountable and abelian already.
 
The group above *is* the abelianization of the fundamental group. The actual fundamental group looks a lot worse.

I already know that the group is uncountable. I was just trying to convince myself that it is *very* uncountable by finding an actual uncountable subset, explicitly. One would think that it shouldn't be too hard to find an uncountable subset of Q^R, but I started with several really dumb approaches. I think I do have a fair number of examples now that should work.
 

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