Uncovering Abundant Numbers: My University Research

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The discussion revolves around the exploration of abundant numbers, specifically focusing on conjectures and formulas that generate abundant and primitive abundant numbers. Participants share their research experiences and seek insights or counterexamples from others in the field.

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  • One participant is investigating formulas that generate abundant and primitive abundant numbers, noting a lack of existing literature on the topic.
  • Another participant inquires about the nature of the formulas being sought, asking if they are closed expressions or recurrence relations.
  • Some participants mention having found simple formulas that generate abundant numbers, but none that generate all abundant numbers, with a focus on special simple functions.
  • There is a suggestion that abundant numbers can be generated through scalar multiplication, with examples provided.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the significance of their findings, questioning whether they have discovered a formula that generates a dense set of abundant numbers.
  • Another participant claims to have identified multiple formulas that create distinct subsets of abundant numbers, which together form a dense subset.
  • There is a mention of a Mathematica program being planned to test one of the formulas, with a caution about formulating conjectures before sharing results.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the nature and significance of the formulas being discussed. Multiple competing views remain about the effectiveness and implications of the proposed formulas, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic and the potential for counterexamples, indicating that their findings are still in development and may change as research progresses.

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Is anyone familiar with Abundant Numbers? As far what kind of work is being done now or any interesting findings.

Me and two professor at my Uni are working on proving (or disproving) some conjectures of mine that have to do with formulas which generate abundant and primitive abundant numbers.

I haven't found too very much on the net about these numbers aside from a few that seem unrelated to our work.
 
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I wrote an undergraduate project on perfect numbers. What are you looking for?

I'm not sure what you mean by "formulas which generate abundant and primitive abundant numbers". Are you trying to find a closed expression for each (primitive) abundant number in order, a formula that produces only/mostly (primitive) abundant numbers, or what? Are the formulas simple expressions with +, -, ^, etc, recurrence relations, implicitly defined functions, or what?
 
Well we have found simple formulas that generate abundant numbers (no one formula generates all tho. We have shown that they ONLY generate primes tho.
there's some other work but we are studying these special simple functions first.
 
The reason I am being so vague is that so far we have a relatively large class of functions all of which seem to be special cases of a formula which does produce the primitive abundants in order. I was just interested if anyone else has studies such formulas or found counter examples. I'm going to run a mathematica program soon to test the one formula.

I'm glad someone else has studied these numbers my professor and I could find hardly any papers on them. :biggrin:
 
RocketSurgery said:
Well we have found simple formulas that generate abundant numbers (no one formula generates all tho. We have shown that they ONLY generate primes tho.
there's some other work but we are studying these special simple functions first.

I still don't properly understand what you're doing. Making infinitely many abundant numbers from a simple formula is easy -- 6 * 2^n, for example. While perfect numbers have a complex structure that makes them rare, abundant numbers are closed under scalar multiplication (by n > 0).

So you're surely not making a claim that trivial, so where's the meat? Did you find a simple formula that generates a dense set of abundant numbers, perhaps?

RocketSurgery said:
The reason I am being so vague is that so far we have a relatively large class of functions all of which seem to be special cases of a formula which does produce the primitive abundants in order. I was just interested if anyone else has studies such formulas or found counter examples. I'm going to run a mathematica program soon to test the one formula.

All abundants in order, and no non-abundant numbers? That would be interesting. Even a high fraction of them would be significant.

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I'm glad someone else has studied these numbers my professor and I could find hardly any papers on them. :biggrin:

My undergrad paper on odd perfect numbers had at least 23 citations, and I know I cut some out in the final editing stage. I'd have to imagine there's something out there for generating abundant numbers.
 
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Yes 6*2^n as you have stated does generate a subset of the abundant numbers. What I have found are other formulas which also generate subsets of the abundant numbers.

The important thing is that these subsets aren't subsets of the subset that is created using the formula 6*2^n. So far the union of the 6 or so formulas creates an extremely dense subset of abundant numbers.

Once I work more on this topic over the summer I will give you some concrete details on my research but I want to properly formulate my conjecture before I post anything in case I find a counter example or anything.

I applaud you on your paper on odd perfect numbers. A professor at my school, Dr. Schiffman, whom I have consulted about my research gave a lecture recently on odd abundant numbers (possibly cited your paper when he published some of his results?).

For now though I really need to focus on my finals before I jump back into my research (It's way too damn addicting).
 
RocketSurgery said:
So far the union of the 6 or so formulas creates an extremely dense subset of abundant numbers.

Once I work more on this topic over the summer I will give you some concrete details on my research but I want to properly formulate my conjecture before I post anything in case I find a counter example or anything.

I look forward to hearing about your results, whether negative or positive.
 

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