Uncovering the Mystery of Numbers Divisible by 7

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of numbers formed by repeating an integer six times and their divisibility by 7. Participants explore mathematical reasoning, provide examples, and challenge each other's claims regarding this phenomenon.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Mahesh initially claims that any integer repeated six times is divisible by 7, providing examples to support this assertion.
  • Some participants, like Zurtex, present counterexamples, arguing that certain integers repeated six times do not yield multiples of 7.
  • Mahesh clarifies that repeating an integer is not the same as multiplying it, suggesting a formula for the repeated number's structure.
  • Others, including a participant named Shmoe, propose mathematical proofs and reasoning to explore the conditions under which repeated integers may or may not be divisible by 7.
  • Discussions include the use of geometric series and modular arithmetic to analyze the divisibility properties of these repeated numbers.
  • Participants express confusion over specific mathematical terms and concepts, such as "invertible" and modular relationships.
  • Mahesh acknowledges mistakes in his earlier reasoning and presents a new approach involving the decimal representation of 1/7 to support his claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus among participants. Some argue that certain integers repeated six times are divisible by 7, while others provide counterexamples and challenge this claim. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the mathematical properties discussed, including the conditions under which certain integers yield divisibility by 7. There are unresolved questions about the validity of specific formulas and examples presented.

  • #31
as shmoe says, you do not "divide by 3 mod 9"
 
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  • #32
Okay, thanks I think, though I would have liked a more direct answer. I am assuming you mean that division is always thought of as multiplication by the inverse instead, and since that inverse doesn't exist you are multiplying by something that doesn't exist, and so the whole thing is undefined. Which means it is like dividing by 0 in that sense.

Is this correct?
 
  • #33
yes, that's a fair summary.
 
  • #34
note that in the case of non-unit elements there may or may not be solutions to ax=b mod n, and let us assume b=/=0

suppose a is not invertible mod n, but that b is, with inverse c say, the a(xc)=1mod n, contradicting the assumption that a is not invertible.

so *if* there is a solution it is necessary that b is not invertible either. so for example

2x=5 mod 6 has no solutions

2x=4 mod 6 does have a solution though, but 2x=3 doesn't, so all other possibilties can arise.

to see what's going on it can somte times be useful to think of u=v mod n as saying v=mn+v for some integer m.

so, ax=b mod n says ax=mn+b for some m. rearranging ax-mn=b


of course hcf(a,n) divides the lhs [hightest common factor, so if there were a solution then it mustbe that the hcf divides the rhs, ie b.

this is why 2x=3 mod6 has no solution: hcf(2,6)=2 and 2 doesn't divide 3.

Can you see where that's going?


This also shows you that a number is invertibel mod n if and only if it is coprime with n.

If a is coprime with n, then by euclid's algorothm ap+nq=1 for some n and q, hence ap=1 mod n, that is p is the mutliplicative inverse of a.
 
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