Under LQG is it possible to have an area with just nothing?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether it is possible to have an area devoid of quanta of space within the framework of Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG). Participants explore the implications of spin networks and spin foams, and the nature of "nothingness" in a physical context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant hypothesizes about the existence of an area without quanta of space, suggesting it could be akin to a "mega vacuum" at the end of the universe.
  • Another participant argues that the concept of "nothing" is a contradiction and concludes that such an area cannot exist.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while the area may not contain quanta of space, it is not truly "nothing," but rather an area that approaches nothingness.
  • One participant raises a question about the clarity of the physical meaning of the area operator in LQG, referencing a specific academic paper.
  • Another participant critiques the approach of using scientific terminology without a solid mathematical foundation, emphasizing the importance of mathematical rigor in physics theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of an area without quanta of space, with some asserting it cannot exist while others propose nuanced interpretations of "nothingness." The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of "nothing" and the interpretation of physical concepts in LQG, which may not be fully articulated or agreed upon by participants.

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So if space is made up of spin networks and spacetime is made of spin foams, then say hypothetically, is it possible to have an area without the quanta of space? Say maybe if there is an end to the universe. Like a mega vacuum with just nothing in it.
 
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Lunct said:
So if space is made up of spin networks and spacetime is made of spin foams, then say hypothetically, is it possible to have an area without the quanta of space? Say maybe if there is an end to the universe. Like a mega vacuum with just nothing in it.
Something that is nothing ( a contradiction) does not exist. So the answer is 'no'.
 
Mentz114 said:
Something that is nothing ( a contradiction) does not exist. So the answer is 'no'.
well if you think about it is not really nothing. It is just an area that doesn't contain quanta of space. It is just as close to nothing as you can get. The human brain cannot comprehend nothing. Probably phrased my question incorrectly.
 
Lunct, by looking at your posting history, you seem to be of the view that the way scientific theories are created is by putting together scientific sounding words hoping you will hit the right order. I'm afraid that's not how it works. Physics theories are inherently mathematical. The words are just an imperfect description.
 

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