Under what conditions does L=Iw hold?

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The discussion centers on the conditions under which the equation L=Iw holds, where L, I, and ω are scalars. Participants explore various scenarios involving fixed and non-fixed axes of rotation, the role of the moment of inertia tensor, and implications in different environments such as zero gravity.

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  • Some participants suggest that L=Iw holds for a fixed axis of rotation, while questioning its validity when the axis changes or when torque is applied.
  • One participant mentions that in zero gravity, such as on the International Space Station, L=Iw can hold, even when neither I nor ω is constant, as demonstrated in a video of a rotating book.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the conditions under which I can be treated as a scalar are critical, noting that axis flipping is a result of tensor properties.
  • There is a discussion about the principal moments of inertia of a book, suggesting that any of these can be treated as a scalar under certain conditions, despite their varying values.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for L=Iw to hold, with no consensus reached on the implications of changing axes of rotation or the treatment of moment of inertia as a scalar.

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Participants highlight the importance of defining the axis of rotation and the conditions under which the moment of inertia can be treated as a scalar, indicating potential limitations in their arguments.

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So, that is the question: Under what conditions does L=Iw hold? Where L,I,w are all scalars.
Some specifics perhaps:
1) Supose a fixed axis of rotation, with accel, does is hold?
2) Suppose de axis of rot is not a ppal axis
3) Suppose there is fixed axis of rot, but I choose neither x nor y nor z to be in that direction, I'll have to use the I tensor, right?

Anyway this are just suggestions.
Thanks a lot.
 
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For any FIXED axis, you can find a scalar I that satisfies L=Iw. It's only when the axis of rotation changes, such as in tumbling or if torque is applied, that tensor qualities of moment of inertia become important.
 
L=I*ω should hold in zero gravity on the International Space Station. See video of rotating book flipping axis of rotation in the video
In this video, neither I nor ω is constant, although the product is.

In this video clip, Pettit demonstrates stable and unstable modes for solid body rotation on the ISS. Using a hard cover textbook, he demonstrates that it will rotate stably about the longest and shortest axis, which represent the maximum and minimum movements of Inertia. Trying to rotate the book around an intermediate axis results in an unstable rotation in which the book appears to flip-flop while it rotates.
 
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That's not what he's asking. He's asking under what circumstances I can be treated as a scalar. Axis flipping is inherently an outcome of tensor properties.
 
K^2 said:
That's not what he's asking. He's asking under what circumstances I can be treated as a scalar. Axis flipping is inherently an outcome of tensor properties.
Doesn't a book [see video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgVpOorcKqc] have three principal moment of inertia axes I1, I2, and I3, anyone of which can be treated as a scalar, even if I1 < I2 < I3?
 

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