Undergraduate school prestige? (Math)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the impact of undergraduate school prestige on graduate admissions in mathematics, particularly for students aiming for top graduate programs. Participants explore personal experiences, course offerings, and strategies for enhancing their academic profiles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the impact of attending a third-tier school on future graduate admissions, especially when aiming for top programs.
  • Several participants suggest that excelling academically and getting involved in research can mitigate the effects of attending a less prestigious institution.
  • There is a discussion about the quality of the mathematics department at Oklahoma State University, with mixed feelings about the emphasis on computational work over theoretical understanding.
  • Some participants propose that graduate school name recognition may not be as critical as performance and experience, citing that employers often value experience more than institutional prestige.
  • One participant questions whether it is worth sacrificing a free ride at a less prestigious school for an expensive private institution, raising concerns about financial implications.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of taking graduate courses and preparing for competitive exams like the Putnam to strengthen graduate school applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that excelling in one's current institution and gaining research experience are important, but there is no consensus on the overall impact of school prestige versus individual performance on graduate admissions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the adequacy of their current curriculum, particularly regarding the naming of courses like "Advanced Calculus" instead of "Real Analysis." There are also varying opinions on the financial implications of transferring to a more prestigious institution.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering their undergraduate choices in mathematics, those interested in graduate school admissions, and individuals exploring the value of institutional prestige versus personal academic performance.

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Hello everyone, I've been reading this site for about a year now, but this is my first post. I've learned so much from this site!

Now, my situation. I'm currently a freshman at a third-tier school, and I just switched from Chemical Engineering to Mathematics after realizing I'm much more interested in my math courses than engineering

However, my predicament is that I picked my school because of a free ride, turning down expensive offers from "better" schools (Illinois, Georgia Tech)

How much of an impact will the name of my undergraduate school have upon graduate admissions? Although I realize it's a little to early to say, I'm very interested in a career in academia, and I want to attend a top 10 graduate school.

Thanks!
 
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Also, if anyone cares, I just finished Linear Algebra and Calculus III (with A's). Next semester I'll be taking Introduction to Modern Algebra, Differential Equations, and Groups and Representations
 
Tickitata said:
Also, if anyone cares, I just finished Linear Algebra and Calculus III (with A's). Next semester I'll be taking Introduction to Modern Algebra, Differential Equations, and Groups and Representations

If you don't mind me asking, what school do you go to? How is their mathematics department? Is there undergraduate research offered? Can you independent study with math professors? What kind of elective are offered?
 
I attend Oklahoma State University, and so far I'm not sure how I feel about the math department. There is undergraduate research and independent study offered (which I'll hopefully be getting into after next semester), and the two professors I've had were terrific. However, the exams/quizzes were largely computational, with little emphasis on theory/proof

http://www.okstate.edu/registrar/Course%20Listings/MATH.html" is a listing of the courses available. Should I be concerned that our real analysis course is called "Advanced Calculus"?
 
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Tickitata said:
I attend Oklahoma State University, and so far I'm not sure how I feel about the math department. There is undergraduate research and independent study offered (which I'll hopefully be getting into after next semester), and the two professors I've had were terrific. However, the exams/quizzes were largely computational, with little emphasis on theory/proof

http://www.okstate.edu/registrar/Course%20Listings/MATH.html" is a listing of the courses available. Should I be concerned that our real analysis course is called "Advanced Calculus"?

My advice to you, get involved in as much research as possible and be the best math major at your school. That is all you can really do; excel at your current institution. The course offerings seem good, on par with what an undergraduate math cirriculum should include. If possible, try to take grad courses to make up for any perceived deficiencies that people might have. It is not impossible for you to do well and get into a great grad school is basically what I am trying to say.
 
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man i wish there was a geometry class at my school
 
Echoing what Jason just said, make the best of your situation. After all, even if you went to a terrible school, but you were outstanding at that school, admission controllers would definitely not dismiss you straight away. Get as involved as you can, learn as much as you can. Anyway, depending on want you want to do as a profession, even the name of your grad school may not matter too much. I remember a thread here a while ago saying that employers value experience more than the name of your grad school.

EDIT: At ice109: damn me too! Hopefully a proper one >.<
 
There seems to be a bunch of good-looking graduate courses offered. Try to take one or two, because some of the people you will be competing against will have. And there's the Putnam. If you train hard -- and I mean really hard -- and do well, then I think this will help your chances.

Also, you can always transfer if you really want to.

[Note: I should point out that I'm only an undergraduate myself, so my post is really just commentary that I think is logical. You should keep this in mind whenever you ask for advice online -- that people aren't necessarily qualified to give you proper advice. So you definitely need to speak to your academic advisor and/or professors.]
 
O yes that reminds me, any advice I give is what I either would logically expect or have heard from others on this forum, I'm not qualified for this sort of advice either.
 
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Yeah, I'm planning on taking graduate courses and doing as much research as possible as an undergraduate

But I guess what I'm really wondering is, is it worth it to give up the free ride in order to attend an expensive private school? (lets use Stanford, with $50,000 per year)

If I excel at OSU, how much of an effect will the school's name have?
 
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How "worth it" it is really depends on how much money you have. If paying that much means you have to sacrifice a lot of luxuries and time in making that money, it may not be, but if paying that much won't have much of an impact on your lifestyle, then it may me. Of course, if you are extremely devoted and sincerely believe the other school will benefit you more, then you may consider sacrificing a lot of other things for it.
 

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