Understand Lemma Lucas Theorem & Its Proof

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The discussion revolves around understanding Lemma Lucas Theorem and its proof, specifically focusing on the divisibility of the binomial coefficient {p choose k} by a prime number p. Participants explore the implications of the proof and the conditions under which the lemma holds, engaging with both the mathematical reasoning and the clarity of the proof presentation.

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  • Some participants assert that since p divides p! and does not divide k! or (p-k)!, it follows that p divides {p choose k}.
  • Others question the clarity of the proof, suggesting that the use of certain notation (wedge notation) may be confusing.
  • One participant notes that since k and (p-k) are both less than p, all prime factors of k! and (p-k)! are less than p, implying that p cannot divide these factorials.
  • Another participant challenges the conclusion that p divides {p choose k}, suggesting that the reasoning may not support this claim.
  • Some participants agree that p divides the numerator but not the denominator, leading to the conclusion that p divides the fraction.

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There is no consensus on whether the proof adequately demonstrates that p divides {p choose k}. While some participants support the argument that p divides the binomial coefficient, others raise questions about the reasoning and implications, indicating a lack of agreement.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the clarity of the proof and the implications of the mathematical reasoning, particularly concerning the role of prime factors in the factorials involved.

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Hi. I don't understand the following proof.
Lemma
Let p be a prime number and 1<=k<=p-1, then:
{p \choose k} \equiv 0 \pmod{p}

Proof

{p \choose k} = \frac{p!}{k!(p-k)!}. Since p | p! but p \not | k! \land p \not | (p-k)! the proof follows.

I think here what you want to show is that p divides the binomial coefficient, but how does the proof do that?
 
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I am assuming p is prime. Do you agree that p divides p! and that p does not divide k! and that p does not divide (p-k)! ?

If so, then p must divide p choose k since there are no factors of p in the denominator that would "cancel" the p in the numerator.

As a side note, I would suggest not using the wedge things in a proof (or at all.) They are confusing.
 
Robert1986 said:
I am assuming p is prime. Do you agree that p divides p! and that p does not divide k! and that p does not divide (p-k)! ?
Agreed.
Robert1986 said:
If so, then p must divide p choose k since there are no factors of p in the denominator that would "cancel" the p in the numerator.
I don't understand this.
Robert1986 said:
As a side note, I would suggest not using the wedge things in a proof (or at all.) They are confusing.
Ok thanks.
 
##k## and ##(p-k)## are both less than ##p##.

So, all the prime factors of ##k\,!## and of ##(p-k)!## are less than ##p##.

##p## is a prime, so ##p## can't divide a number whose prime factors are all less than ##p##.
 
AlephZero said:
##k## and ##(p-k)## are both less than ##p##.

So, all the prime factors of ##k\,!## and of ##(p-k)!## are less than ##p##.

##p## is a prime, so ##p## can't divide a number whose prime factors are all less than ##p##.

Doesnt this imply that p does not divide p choose k?
 
It means that p divides the numerator of the fraction but not the denominator. So, p divides the fraction.
 
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Robert1986 said:
It means that p divides the numerator of the fraction but not the denominator. So, p divides the fraction.

Ah of course, thank you.
 

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