Understand Shape of Universe: Spatially Flat?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a spatially flat universe, exploring its implications and interpretations, particularly in relation to geometry and curvature. Participants examine the characteristics of both flat and closed universes, including the behavior of parallel lines and the sum of angles in triangles.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a spatially flat universe implies that two straight rods of infinite length would remain parallel.
  • Others argue that in a spatially flat universe, the angles in triangles would add up to 180 degrees.
  • There is a question regarding interpretations of a closed universe, with a focus on what characteristics define its closed form beyond the sum of angles not equaling 180 degrees.
  • One participant notes that in a closed universe, straight rods would converge and cross over at a large distance, suggesting implications for the geometry of space.
  • Another participant highlights that in the context of the currently accelerating universe, even with a small positive spatial curvature, rods would break before reaching the crossover point due to the limitations imposed by the Hubble radius.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of spatial curvature and its implications, with no consensus reached on the characteristics of closed universes or the behavior of rods in different geometries.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the universe, such as the implications of infinite length rods and the effects of cosmic expansion on geometry, which remain unresolved.

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What actually means to say that the universe is spatially flat? Would it be that, if one could extend two straight rods of infinite length (assuming a universe with no boundaries and infinite amount of material for making the rods, LOL), they would remain parallel?
 
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Yes. It also means angles in triangles add up to 180 degrees.
 
mfb said:
Yes. It also means angles in triangles add up to 180 degrees.
Ok. Now, in a closed universe, what would be an interpretation for its closed form, besides angles not adding to 180°?
 
kent davidge said:
Ok. Now, in a closed universe, what would be an interpretation for its closed form, besides angles not adding to 180°?

Your straight rods will converge and cross over at some large distance in any direction.

Take note that in our presently accelerating expansion universe, even it it has a small positive spatial curvature, your rods will break long before they reach that crossover point, because they cannot extend past our Hubble radius.
 
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Jorrie said:
Your straight rods will converge and cross over at some large distance in any direction.

Take note that in our presently accelerating expansion universe, even it it has a small positive spatial curvature, your rods will break long before they reach that crossover point, because they cannot extend past our Hubble radius.
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