Understanding a p-p collision qualitatively

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The discussion centers around the qualitative understanding of proton-proton (p-p) collisions at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), particularly focusing on the interactions of quarks during these collisions and the resulting remnants of the protons. The scope includes theoretical aspects of particle interactions, weak interactions, and the conservation of baryon number.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if a weakly interacted quark is a sea quark, the proton may remain intact but could lead to jets, whereas if it is a valence quark, jets must result due to the missing valence quark.
  • Another participant describes a specific interaction where a W boson couples to the weak current, resulting in a combination of quarks that could lead to the formation of a proton and a neutron, while noting that many processes occur simultaneously.
  • A different participant emphasizes that one cannot definitively identify a quark as a valence quark due to the nature of interactions and hadronization, suggesting that collisions typically change quark content.
  • It is mentioned that in elastic collisions, protons may remain intact with small momentum exchange, but heavy bosons are unlikely to be produced in such cases.
  • One participant states that proton remnants go down the beam pipe and form hadrons, affirming the conservation of global baryon number.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the interactions and outcomes of p-p collisions, with no consensus reached on the specifics of quark interactions or the implications for proton remnants.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in assumptions about quark identification, the nature of collisions, and the complexity of particle interactions, which remain unresolved.

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If two protons collide at the LHC and a quark from each undergo a weak interaction together to form a W/Z boson, then what happens to the remnants of the protons?

I think that if the weakly interacted quark was a sea quark, then the proton can continue being itself, but may lead to jets. If, however, the weakly interacted quark was a valence quark, then the remnant of the proton must lead to jets since a valence u or d is missing. Ultimately, the final state will still contain two protons to conserve baryon number.

Is this correct?

Also, are the two quarks that form the W/Z "ripped out" of the proton or rather one proton enters the other so that the interaction could occur? That is to say, a volume of space normally occupied by one proton is temporarily occupied by two protons and also the newly created W/Z boson?
 
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There are many ways this can happen, so let's describe just one. A W boson couples to the weak current, which for baryons derives from quark-quark bar. Each proton contains three quarks: up, up and down. So say one of the up quarks emits a gluon, which turns into down and down-bar. At this point we have a total of four ups, three downs and a down-bar.

The down-bar combines with one of the up quarks from the other proton, emitting a W+. What we now have left is three ups and three downs. Minimally this could result in a proton and a neutron.

In reality there will be many other processes going on, and numerous other particles produced.
 
MarekS said:
I think that if the weakly interacted quark was a sea quark, then the proton can continue being itself, but may lead to jets. If, however, the weakly interacted quark was a valence quark, then the remnant of the proton must lead to jets since a valence u or d is missing.
You cannot point to a quark and say "this is a valence quark!". If you take any quark and let it interact with some parton in the other proton, you always change the quark content, and hadronization has to care about that afterwards.

There are elastic collisions - collisions where one or both protons stay protons. But those correspond to a small momentum exchange, I would be surprised to see a heavy boson produced in an elastic collision. Usually, they form jets.
 
The proton remnants go down the beam pipe. They form hadrons, and as you guessed, global baryon number is conserved.
 

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