Simulation of pp-collision and Z boson production

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the simulation of proton-proton collisions leading to the production of a Z boson, focusing on the kinematic constraints and energy requirements for such processes. Participants explore the implications of different conditions, such as the Z boson being at rest or off-shell, and how these affect the momentum fractions of the colliding quarks.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Jan introduces the simulation setup and the kinematic equations governing the collision, questioning the correct conditions for Z boson production.
  • Some participants propose that a Z boson can be produced at rest, requiring specific momentum fractions from the quarks, while others suggest that off-shell production could allow for different momentum distributions.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the center-of-mass energy and its relationship to the energy required for Z boson production, with conflicting interpretations of the conditions needed for the quark momentum fractions.
  • Some participants argue that the condition for Z boson production at rest is a special case of a more general condition that does not require equal momentum fractions.
  • Jan expresses confusion regarding the center-of-mass energy and its interpretation in relation to the conservation of momentum, leading to further exploration of the invariant mass of the system.
  • There is a suggestion that the confusion arises from the assumption that the Z boson is produced on-shell, which may not reflect typical scenarios in hadron colliders where additional particles (jets) are produced.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the energy conditions for Z boson production, with multiple competing views remaining regarding the implications of the Z boson being at rest versus off-shell production.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption of a simplified model without considering additional particles produced in real collisions, and the discussion reflects uncertainty in the interpretation of kinematic constraints and energy requirements.

  • #31
This isn't going to work. That procedure forces x2 to have a particular distribution, and that distribution may or may not (in fact, doesn't) match the correct x2 distribution.

What you need to do instead, if you want to go down this path, is once you have the x2, you calculate the probability of getting this x2, and then toss a random number. If the random number matches this probability, you keep the event, otherwise, you start over. This is called reweighting.
 
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  • #32
Jan Eysermans said:
What do you mean by symmetry? When I compare the u-PDF generating x1 values with the antiu-PDFs, I notice a slightly difference (not a statistical one because the difference is "reproducible").
"quark from proton 1 + antiquark from proton 2" should give the same result as "antiquark from proton 1 + quark from proton 2". If it does not, there is something wrong.

From this, it is not correct to sample only from the u-PDFs I guess.
Sure, you have to account for all quarks. Just add their contributions afterwards?

I don't see how sampling the u-PDF covers processes like anti-s + s -> Z.


I agree with Vanadium in terms of reweighting.
 
  • #33
Indeed, including the distributions for x2 are needed.. I have implemented the method of Vanadium 50 and the results are more or less ok! Thanks everyone.
 

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