Undergrad Understanding a Sylow theory proof

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The discussion centers on the action of a group G on its 2-Sylow subgroups, Syl_2(G), by conjugation. It clarifies that this action is well-defined even if Syl_2(G) is not a normal subgroup, as the action involves sets rather than group structures. The partitioning of G into cosets does not require normality for counting elements, but normality is essential for defining a group structure on G/U. Additionally, the transitivity of the action implies that there are distinct 2-Sylow subgroups, leading to nontrivial permutations in the action. Understanding these concepts is crucial for grasping the proof within Sylow theory.
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I am trying to understand this proof, but am tripped up on the part that says "Consider the action of ##G## on ##\operatorname{Syl}_2(G)## by conjugation." My question is, how is this a well-defined action if ##\operatorname{Syl}_2(G)## is not normal? Isn't this action by conjugation defined only on subgroups that are normal?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
https://imgur.com/a/oSioYel

I am trying to understand this proof, but am tripped up on the part that says "Consider the action of ##G## on ##\operatorname{Syl}_2(G)## by conjugation." My question is, how is this a well-defined action if ##\operatorname{Syl}_2(G)## is not normal? Isn't this action by conjugation defined only on subgroups that are normal?
Given any operation ##\varphi \, : \, U\times G \longrightarrow G## with a subgroup ##U\leqslant G## we can define cosets ##g.U=\varphi(g,U)=\{\,g.u\,|\,u\in U\,\}## which in our case are the sets ##gUg^{-1}##. This partitions ##G## into subsets of equal size.

Now the point is, that those sets are just that: sets. Since ##U## isn't normal, we simply cannot define a group structure on this set ##G/U## of sets. So as long as we are only counting elements, everything will be fine. If we want to consider homomorphisms ##U \rightarrowtail G \twoheadrightarrow G/U## we will have a problem if ##U## isn't normal. So normality directly corresponds to the fact, that ##G/U## is again a group or not.
 
Syl_2(G) is not a subgroup of G; rather, it is the set of all of the 2-Sylow subgroups of G. If H\in Syl_2(G), then gHg^{-1}\in Syl_2(G) too (and can be a different element if H is not normal).
 
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Infrared said:
Syl_2(G) is not a subgroup of G; rather, it is the set of all of the 2-Sylow subgroups of G. If H\in Syl_2(G), then gHg^{-1}\in Syl_2(G) too (and can be a different element if H is not normal).
Got it. One more question. Why does that fact that ##\rho## is transitive imply that it is nontrivial?
 
Let H_1,H_2\in Syl_2(G). Since the action is transitive, there is an element g\in G such that gH_1g^{-1}=H_2. We can pick H_1,H_2 to be different, and then this means that \rho(g) is not the trivial permutation.
 
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