Understanding Algebraic Expressions: Simplifying Subtraction as Addition

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Holocene
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Expression
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of algebraic expressions, specifically the simplification of subtraction as addition. Participants explore different perspectives on how to view expressions involving subtraction, considering both mathematical conventions and personal preferences.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expression -2x + 7y - 5 and suggests viewing it as the sum of three terms: -2x, 7y, and -5.
  • Another participant questions the utility of this approach, asking, "what's the point?"
  • Some participants acknowledge that viewing expressions in different ways can be a useful skill in mathematics.
  • There is a suggestion that as long as the value remains unchanged, the alternative representation is acceptable.
  • One participant emphasizes that many mathematicians consider subtraction as "adding the negative," arguing that the expression (-2x) + 7y + (-5) is more natural than using subtraction.
  • Another participant reiterates the idea that the subtraction symbol may simply be shorthand for "add the negation."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the alternative representation is mathematically proper, but there is disagreement regarding its practicality and usefulness. Some participants feel it complicates matters, while others see value in the different perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the implications of viewing subtraction as addition, and the discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to interpreting algebraic expressions.

Holocene
Messages
237
Reaction score
0
I will use this expression as an example:

-2x + 7y - 5

Now, I know that this expression literally means " negative 2x plus 7y minus 5".

But, I prefer to look an expression like this as simply the sum of 3 terms. The terms are: -2x, 7y, and -5.

So, I prefer to deal with the expression more like -2x + 7y + (-5)

Is this proper?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
It is proper, but what's the point?
 
There are many different ways of looking at any "expression"- mathematics or not.
 
That is proper and sometimes useful. Looking at the same thing different waysis a good skill to have for math.
 
Its proper as long as it doesn't change the value.
 
mathman said:
It is proper, but what's the point?


:frown:
 
I agree with mathman, it's right but you're just complicating everything. In math the best way to do it is to follow the rules or you'll just end up completely confused...
 
mathman said:
It is proper, but what's the point?

Since addition is associative and subtraction is not, many algebraist do not look upon subtraction as properly an operation at all- subtraction just means "add the negative". To such mathematicians, the sum
(-2x) + 7y + (-5) would be much more natural than "subtracting 5".
 
HallsofIvy said:
Since addition is associative and subtraction is not, many algebraist do not look upon subtraction as properly an operation at all- subtraction just means "add the negative". To such mathematicians, the sum
(-2x) + 7y + (-5) would be much more natural than "subtracting 5".

I feel that way myself. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the subtraction symbol is just a shorthand for "add the negation".
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
911
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
24
Views
5K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
4K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K