Understanding Algebraic Unknowns in Physics Problems

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationships between variables in a physics problem involving ratios of distances and velocities, specifically expressed as r1/v1 = r2/v2 and m1r1 = m2r2. Participants are trying to clarify how these equations lead to the conclusion that v1/v2 = r1/r2 = m2/m1.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the manipulation of ratios and equations to derive relationships between the variables. Questions arise regarding the correct formulation of the equations and the steps taken to arrive at the final expression.

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There is ongoing clarification regarding the equations involved, with some participants questioning the initial statements and others providing insights into the algebraic manipulations. A correction to the initial problem statement has been acknowledged, indicating progress in understanding.

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Some participants note that the original equations were not correctly stated, which may have led to confusion in the discussion. The importance of precise notation in physics problems is highlighted.

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Homework Statement



The unknowns below read as "m sub 1", "rub sub 2" etc.
The maths part of a physics problem states:

r1/v1 = r2/v2

Combining these with equation :

m1r1 = m2r2

gives:

v1/v2 = r1/r2 = m2/m1

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The Attempt at a Solution



Would anyone be able to explain to me how they have gone to the final line of

v1/v2 = r1/r2 = m2/m1

Thank you!
 
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You can re-write
r1/v1 = r2/v2 as v1/v2=r1/r2
and
m1r1=m2r2 (I think you mean this) as r1/r2=m2/m1.
 
ZedCar said:

Homework Statement



The unknowns below read as "m sub 1", "rub sub 2" etc.
The maths part of a physics problem states:

r1/v1 = r2/v2
This is the same as saying that v1/v2= r1/r2 as you have below.

Combining these with equation :

m1r1/m2r2[/quote]
This is not an equation and does not say anything. What did you mean to say?

gives:

v1/v2 = r1/r2 = m2/m1
If you meant to say "m1r1= m2r2" above, yes, that is correct.



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The Attempt at a Solution



Would anyone be able to explain to me how they have gone to the final line of

v1/v2 = r1/r2 = m2/m1[/quote]
You had, initially, r1/v1 = r2/v2. Multiply both sides by v1/r2 to get (r1/v1)(v1/r2)= (r2/v2)(v1/r2). On the left, the "v1" terms cancel leaving r1/r2. On the right the "r2" terms cancel leaving v1/v2. That is, r1/r2= v1/v2.

If you also have m1r1= m2r2, then dividing both sides by m1r2 gives (m1r1)/(m1r2)= (m2r2)/m1r2). The "m1" terms cancel on the left and the "r2" terms cancel on the right leaving r1/r2= m2/m1. Thus r1/r2= v1/v2= m2/m1.

Thank you!
 
ZedCar said:

Homework Statement



The unknowns below read as "m sub 1", "rub sub 2" etc.
The maths part of a physics problem states:

r1/v1 = r2/v2

Combining these with equation :

m1r1/m2r2
This is not an equation. Did you mean "m1r1= m2r2"?

gives:

v1/v2 = r1/r2 = m2/m1



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Would anyone be able to explain to me how they have gone to the final line of

v1/v2 = r1/r2 = m2/m1

Thank you!
You have initially, r1/v1 = r2/v2. Multiply both v1/r2. On the left the "v1" terms cancel and you get (r1/v1)(v1/r2)= r1/r2 and on the right the "r2" terms cancel and you get (r2/v2)(v1/r2)= v1/v2 so v1/v2= r1/r2.

If you actually meant m1r1= m2r2, then divide on both sides by m1r2. On the left, (m1r1)/(m1r2), the "m1" terms cancel and you get r1/r2. On the right, (m2r2)/(m1r2), the "r2" term cancel and you get m2/m1: v1/v2= r1/r2= m2/m1.
 
HallsofIvy said:
This is not an equation. Did you mean "m1r1= m2r2"?

Yes.

Apologies for that. I have now corrected the initial question.
 
I understand it now. Thank you.

Sorry for the confusion earlier!
 

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