Understanding Anti-Symmetric Tensor Expression

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the anti-symmetric tensor expression A_{[a [b]} C_{c]}. Participants express confusion about whether to first anti-symmetrize indices a and b, then b and c, or to treat the expression as a single anti-symmetrization involving all indices. One proposed interpretation suggests that only indices a and c should be anti-symmetrized while leaving b unchanged, but this contradicts the notation used. Clarification is sought on the correct approach to handling the anti-symmetry in this tensor expression. Understanding the proper treatment of such expressions is crucial for accurate tensor analysis in mathematical physics.
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Dear guys,

Have you ever met this kind of tensor expression?

A_{[a <b>} C_{c]} </b>

That is, indices a, b are anti-symmetric, and indices b, c are anti-symmetric as well. I am confused by this, should I think this expression as: I anti-symmetrise indices a, b first, and then antisymmetrise indices b, c? this would result in

\frac{1}{4} (A_{a b} C_{c} - A_{b a} C_c - A_{a c} C_{b} + A_{c a} C_{b})

But, if I think of this expression by the meaning that I would get a minus sign whenever I exchange a, b, as well as I exchange b,c. In this way, what I get should be

A_{[ab} C_{c]}

So, which one is correct? I'm really confused...
Thanks for your help!
 
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Probably they mean that you antisymmetrize over the indices a and c only, while the index b is left unchanged.
 
xepma said:
Probably they mean that you antisymmetrize over the indices a and c only, while the index b is left unchanged.
Thanks for your discussion.
But, no, in that case the expression is written as

A_{[a|b|} C_{c]}

where the index b is enclosed by two bars, | |.
 
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