Understanding Atom Excitation in He-Ne Lasers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of atom excitation in Helium-Neon (He-Ne) lasers, specifically addressing how He atoms in excited states interact with Ne atoms in ground states and the nature of atomic excitation versus electron excitation.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how He atoms in excited states can interact with Ne atoms in ground states, seeking clarification on the mechanism involved.
  • Another participant explains that population inversion is necessary for laser operation, emphasizing that it is the electrons in atoms that are excited to higher energy states.
  • A different participant suggests that the interaction occurs via collisions, leading to energy exchange between the atoms.
  • There is a clarification that while textbooks state "atoms excite," it is the electrons that transition between energy levels, although the energy levels are characteristic of the atom as a whole.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether it is the atoms or the electrons that are considered to be excited, indicating a lack of consensus on this conceptual point. The mechanism of interaction between He and Ne atoms also remains a topic of inquiry.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the definitions of excitation in the context of atomic structure versus electron behavior, and there are assumptions about the nature of energy levels that are not explicitly stated.

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hello every one
The thing I can't understand is 1) In He-Ne laser the He atoms in the excited state interact with the Ne atoms in the ground state how it is possible?

2) In all the textbooks they wrote that "atoms exite". Wil the atoms exite or the electrons? because to my knowledge atom consists of Nucleus which is heavy.
 
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Atoms consist of a nucleus surrounded by a cloud of electrons.

For a laser to work you need to create a population inversion. This mean that you have a large population of atoms with electrons in a particular excited state. These excited state electrons are then caused to drop to a lower energy state simultaenously. The energy released in this state change becomes your laser beam.
 
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paramahamsa said:
hello every one
The thing I can't understand is 1) In He-Ne laser the He atoms in the excited state interact with the Ne atoms in the ground state how it is possible?
Via collisions. One atom bumps into another and an energy exchange takes place.
paramahamsa said:
2) In all the textbooks they wrote that "atoms exite". Wil the atoms exite or the electrons? because to my knowledge atom consists of Nucleus which is heavy.
The atoms excite. This is because the discrete energy levels we observe are characteristic of the ATOM and not the subatomic particles that make up the atom. This is why Hydrogen has a different spectrum to Helium for example, despite the fact the both comprise of a nucleus surrounded by electrons.
 

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