Understanding Basic Mechanics: Solving the Confusion on Force and Speed

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between force and speed in basic mechanics, specifically addressing a scenario involving a 1kg cube suspended by a string. Participants explore how to maintain a constant speed of 2 m/s and the implications of different forces applied to the cube.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how a force of 9.8 N can maintain a speed of 2 m/s, questioning why the cube does not stop if forces are balanced.
  • Another participant clarifies that there is no direct relationship between force and speed, stating that a net force of 0 will maintain the current velocity, which can be any value, including 0.
  • It is noted that if the force applied exceeds 9.8 N, the cube will accelerate, and the speed will increase until the forces change.
  • A participant suggests that the original question is poorly worded and should specify the need to maintain a velocity rather than implying a specific speed of 2 m/s.
  • Further clarification is provided that to accelerate from 0 m/s to 2 m/s, a force greater than 9.8 N would be required initially.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the original question lacks clarity and that a net force of 0 maintains current velocity. However, there is no consensus on the implications of the specific speed of 2 m/s, as some participants emphasize that this value is not special.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the influence of additional factors such as friction, which are not addressed in the original question. The discussion also highlights the importance of precise language in formulating physics questions.

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Hello, I just started basic mechanics and what seems to mess with me is this:

take a 1kg cube in a string, with how much force do you need to push it to give it the even speed of 2M/S, In the book it says F1-F2=0, so 9,8N=F2, so you have to push it upwards with 9,8 Newtons... but how the hell does that mean it get's speed... why does it not stop 100% since it has equal force on both sides, and even more, why does it get 2m/s and not 3 or 4m/s... this is what has been messing with me, I can't seem to get it.
 
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with how much force do you need to push it to give it the even speed of 2M/S
There is no relation between force and speed as you want to get.
With a force of 9.81N upwards from the string, the net force on the cube is 0, and it will keep its current velocity (can be 0, but it can be anything else, too).
If the force is different, it will accelerate - its speed will always increase, until the forces change. At some point, it reaches 2m/s, but that value is not special in any way.

As example, if the string applies a force of 10.81N upwards, the net force on the cube is F=1N upwards, and it accelerates with a=F/(1kg)=1m/s^2 upwards. If it is at rest initially, it will have a speed of a*t=1m/s after one second and 2m/s after two seconds.
 
If the question is worded exactly as you wrote it, I would say it is a poorly worded question. It should say something along the lines of "what force do you need to apply to maintain the velocity of 2m/s". You are correct that 9.8N is the force needed to maintain any constant velocity (excluding all of the annoying things like friction). If you were going to accelerate from 0m/s to 2m/s, for a period of time you would need more than 9.8N until it reached that velocity.
 
mfb said:
There is no relation between force and speed as you want to get.
With a force of 9.81N upwards from the string, the net force on the cube is 0, and it will keep its current velocity (can be 0, but it can be anything else, too).
If the force is different, it will accelerate - its speed will always increase, until the forces change. At some point, it reaches 2m/s, but that value is not special in any way.

As example, if the string applies a force of 10.81N upwards, the net force on the cube is F=1N upwards, and it accelerates with a=F/(1kg)=1m/s^2 upwards. If it is at rest initially, it will have a speed of a*t=1m/s after one second and 2m/s after two seconds.


Thanks a lot, i get it much better now... the question was just silly because they instead of saying equal speed they said specifically 2m/s equal speed.
 

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