Understanding Basic Transformer Concepts

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The discussion revolves around basic concepts related to transformers, including their testing methods, efficiency evaluation, and specific terms associated with their operation. Participants seek clarification on open circuit and closed circuit tests, criteria for assessing transformer quality, the meaning of 'isolation' in transformers, and the concept of dominant harmonics in current waveforms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that open circuit and closed circuit tests are used to determine transformer parameters, including impedances and resistances.
  • There is uncertainty about how to judge if a transformer is good or bad, with suggestions that efficiency measurements may be necessary.
  • One participant proposes that the closed circuit test provides equivalent impedances when referred from the secondary side to the primary side.
  • Another participant questions what specific values (R or X) are obtained from the closed and open circuit tests.
  • A participant describes the short circuit test as a method to find copper losses, while the open circuit test is used to assess core losses.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the term 'isolation' in transformers, with one suggesting it refers to the ability to separate a power source from a load.
  • There is a request for clarification on the concept of dominant harmonics in current waveforms, indicating a lack of understanding among some participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit varying levels of understanding and confidence regarding the topics discussed, with no clear consensus on the definitions or implications of certain terms and tests related to transformers. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the evaluation of transformer quality and the interpretation of specific test results.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of terms like 'dominant harmonic' and 'isolation,' indicating that these concepts may not have been fully covered in their coursework. Additionally, there are unresolved questions about the specific outputs of the closed and open circuit tests.

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The questions in this pre-lab are pretty basic and conceptual, and have not yet been taught in class. However, I'd like to complete this prelab early since I will be busy later on. Because it is pretty conceptual, I don't have any attempt at them except Googling around. Quick explanations or links are appreciated.

- What is the purpose of the open circuit and closed circuit test?
- How do you judge if a transformer is good or bad?
- How is the term ‘isolation’ attributed to the transformers?
- What is the dominant harmonic present in the current waveform and why? (I'm unclear what a dominant harmonic is)

Thanks!
 
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I can really only help you with the first one not too sure about the rest. Especially if the transformer is good or bad one.

Essentially the open ckt and closed ckt tests are used to get the parameters of the transformer, the impedances and resistances.

As with good or bad, I guess you'd need to measure how efficient it is.
 
rock.freak667 said:
I can really only help you with the first one not too sure about the rest. Especially if the transformer is good or bad one.

Essentially the open ckt and closed ckt tests are used to get the parameters of the transformer, the impedances and resistances.

As with good or bad, I guess you'd need to measure how efficient it is.

Does impedance not include resistance (Z = R + X)? I'm logically thinking that the closed circuit test gets the impedance because all of the I flows back to the source, and any resulting V drop would be due to the impedance (real and imaginary) in the transformer right? How about the open circuit test?
 
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fred2028 said:
Does impedance not include resistance (Z = R + X)? I'm logically thinking that the closed circuit test gets the impedance because all of the I flows back to the source, and any resulting V drop would be due to the impedance (real and imaginary) in the transformer right?

It is to get the impedances yes, but the calculations you do would give you the values of R and X. The closed circuit test will give you the equivalent impedances (when you refer the impedances on the secondary side back to the primary side)
 
rock.freak667 said:
It is to get the impedances yes, but the calculations you do would give you the values of R and X. The closed circuit test will give you the equivalent impedances (when you refer the impedances on the secondary side back to the primary side)

Oh, so what exactly does closed ckt test give you? R, or X?
And open ckt?

Thanks!
 
It would be a waste to do this experiment before you have done it in class. You may be able to pick it up from the textbook, but give your teacher a chance to cover it in class.

A short circuit test is for finding the copper losses in a transformer. A very small voltage is applied to the primary of the transformer and the voltage is increased until the current in the short circuit is equal to the maximum load current of the transformer.
Then measure the power in. This is mostly copper loss because very there is very little magnetic core flux flowing to get this output.

The open circuit test tests for core losses or iron losses. Because there is little current flowing in the wires of the transformer, most of the power used is iron losses like eddy current loss.

Testing a known type of transformer for faults will be mostly a matter of comparing the results of the above tests against those of a known "good" transformer.

Testing an unknown transformer is more difficult and may be a matter of judgement.
Obviously, if it is known to run very hot or to blow fuses, then it is probably faulty.

If it runs hot without any load, then it is possibly faulty, or it may be a poor design.

If it draws a large primary current without any load (say, maybe more than 10 % of the rated full load primary current) then it may be a poor design or it may be faulty.
You might like to read the Wikipedia article about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_circuit_test
Here is a bit of it:

The purpose of short circuit test is to determine the series branch parameters of the equivalent circuit. as the name suggests, in this test primary applied voltage, the current and power input are measured keeping the secondary terminals short circuited. Let these values be Vsc, Isc and Wsc respectively.

The supply voltage required to circulate rated current through the transformer is usually very small and is of the order of a few percent of the nominal voltage. The excitation current which is only 1% or less even at rated voltage becomes negligibly small during this test and hence is neglected. The shunt branch is thus assumed to be absent. Wsc is the sum of the copper losses in primary and secondary put together. The reactive power consumed is that absorbed by the leakage reactance of the two windings.
 
I am unclear as to what the dominant harmonic is referring to in the last part.
 

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